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aghadowey
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Need help and hope I've posted this in the right area.
Dr. Thomas Charles Hunter born c1836 Ireland died 1910
wife Isabella born c1846 Tweedmouth died 1923
Known children: Mary R.S. (c1873), Isabella Elizabeth (1874), Jane Josephine (c1878), Catherine Maud (1878), Jessie Muriel (1884), Jophnston Brown (c1885), William Godfrey (c1891).
Have Thomas & family in 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901 census at 5 Gosforth Villas, Coxlodge.
Now here come the problems...
Isabella Hunter's maiden name was STOREY accroding to family notes.
1871 census lists a 'niece Isabella Storey age 6' living with family. She is not from the Hunter side of the family and born in Tweedmouth, like Isabella Hunter, so it is possible that Isabella's maiden name was Storey.
In 1881 census Isabella Storey, age 16, born Tweedmouth, is living with the Hunters but listed as a servant.
When I searched for a marriage of Thomas Hunter to Isabella ___ up comes the following: Thomas Charles Hunter to Isabella SHANNON in Sept. quarter 1865 Newcastle upon Tyne. There is also a birth for an Isabella Shannon in Mar. quarter 1846 Berwick on Tweed.
Thought there was too big a gap between marriage in 1865 and birth of 'first' child c1873 but then I found: Isabella Storey Hunter born Dec. quarter 1870 Cockermouth dist.
I'm not familiar with the area but would Tweedmouth be in Berwick on Tweed district? Anyone come across Storeys or Shannons in theis area?
Is it wishful thinking on my part or could Isabella Hunter's maiden name have been Shannon and not Storey? An what happened to 'niece' Isabella Storey? Any information or suggestions welcome.
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Ruskie
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Hi aghadowey,
If you have a look at multimap (or similar) it seems that Tweedmouth looks like a "suburb" of Berwick upon Tweed. Cockermouth is on the other side of the country in Cumberland (?) - near Keswick anyhow.
I tried to get a link to a map for you but the link looked HUGE, so I took it off. I'm afraid we've used up all our broadband till Monday so are on dial-up speed so the searches I can do at the moment are frustratingly slow and limiting.
Sorry I can't be of more help.
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aghadowey
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Thanks Ruskie. Any information is useful at this point. It looks as though Tweedmouth could come under Berwick upon Tweed. Cockermouth is a bit farther away but as Thomas Charles Hunter was a doctor he could have been living in different places before settling down in Gosforth Villas by 1871 census.
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Ruskie
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You are probably familiar with this site:
http://www.nationaltrustnames.org.uk/
(It's recently had a makeover)
It may give you a rough guide for your surnames. As I suspected it looks like Shannon may have Irish origins.
Suspect you're going have to make some cert purchases to try to sort that lot out!
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aghadowey
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Will probably end up sending for Hunter-Shannon marriage 1st. He was a doctor and I know his father's name so should be able to see if that information matches up.
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Ruskie
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I've been thinking about your Isabellas.
The only reason you have doubts about Isabella's surname is because of family notes. What did the notes say? Depending on how long after the events that the notes were written, and who wrote them, is it possible that the writer of the notes confused the two Isabellas? Family stories are often very wrong, or just a little bit wrong. 
The birth and marriage dates for Isabella Shannon tie in with your census finds that you know to be fact. Isabella Storey the niece/servant may be just a red herring, and the family notes are just confusing the issue.
If you get one of the children's birth certificates, you will learn Isabella's maiden name.
As for Isabella Storey Hunter - um, haven't worked that out yet ... the surname Storey must fit in somewhere. You're going to have to get that birth certificate too  .
A guess : Berwick upon Tweed was the registration district for the smaller parish of Tweedmouth?
Just a few thoughts.
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Ruskie
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Very interesting thanks Jen!
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aghadowey
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Thanks for the additional information Jennifer.
Ruskie- I hi-jacked the Hunter files (literally hundreds of pages) from a relative and discovered notes from some research done in 1994: "Dr. T.C. Hunter was born in about 1836, apparently in Donegal, Ireland. His wife Isabella was born at Tweedmouth in about 1864. I SUSPECT his wife's maiden name was Storey, as is indicated in the 1871 and 1881 census returns." (the capitals are mine but I'm not sure if this guess was based on something the researcher was told. However, in Dr. Hunter was born in Co. Derry not Donegal).
Dr. Thomas Charles Hunter appears in Gosforth in directories from 1874/5 with fits with birth of daughter Mary c1873 in Gosforth.
Isabella Hunter's maiden name could still be Shannon and perhaps a sister married a Storey but there's still a birth for an Isabella Storey Hunter.
Think I'll order a birth certificate for daughter Mary (christened Jan.1873) which should give me an exact birthdate, her middle names and mother's maiden name. Then, if mother is Shannon??? will take it from there.
Next question- in Ireland we can order extracts from records, for less than price for ordering copy of certificate. Is there any such system in England? Can someone recommend best way to get the information?
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Mr J T Arthur
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I note the marriage took place 22nd september 1865 at St Nicholas' Cathedral. Someone might do a look up for you. Perhaps Dr Hunter had previously been married to a Storey.
In answer to your last question, the answer is no, all English certificates cost the same, currently £7.
Good luck,
J.T.A.
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Ruskie
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Hi aghadowey, sorry I didn't get notication of this topic or I could've got back to you days ago.
At least the notes are not definite on surnames, and as they have got the wrong place of birth for Dr Hunter, they may be wrong with the surname too. A nice puzzle for you to solve !
Yes, shame about all certs being £7 - photocopies or transcripts would suit just fine in most cases.
Good luck with your cert order.
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Michael Dixon
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There is an Isabella Shannon, aged 5 on Census 1851, in Tweedmouth, born Tweedmouth, with parents John/Isabella ( 2421-156-20). ( John a salmon fisherman... I used to watch the Tweedmouth/Spittal fisherman when I was kid in 1950s... they used dinghy to play out their net, then hawled it in with mangle set up on beach)
Birth registered March Qtr 1846 @ Berwick Reg District ( which covered Tweedmouth).
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Although Thomas/Isabella were married in Newcastle and their marriage was registered in Newcastle, their children were registered in Castle Ward Reg District ( which covered Gosforth and Coxlodge)
Thomas/Isabella had Johnston(e) Brown Hunter, reg March Qtr 1884 Castle Ward.....
The death of a Johnson Brown Hunter, aged 28 , was registered with Castle Ward Reg District, June Qtr 1875.  .
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The info from the four census gave no indication that Isabella's maiden name was Storey.... Isabella Storey on C1871 is categorised as niece (to head of the household). OK is she is definitely not related to the Hunters, then she could be niece to Isabella (Shannon)... possibly the dtr of one of Isabella's married sisters
An Isabella Elizabeth Storey married a Nathaniel Norman, registered Castle Ward Sept Qtr, 1882.
On C1891 this couple are in Gateshead (4176-53-32)... She recorded as 28 yrs, born Scotland !. On C1901 they are in Benwell, Newcastle ( 4776-150-13) both recorded as born Low Fell, Co Durham.
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Michael- thank you for all the information. I had found birth for Isabella Shannon in births index and that matches up with 1851 census you found. Isabella Hunter's age and birthplace would also seem to match.
Johnston Brown Hunter (d.1875 age 28) was a brother of Dr. Thomas Charles Hunter. Dr. Hunter's son born 1884 was named for him.
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