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Looking for Kerr family information
« on: Monday 01 October 07 08:17 BST (UK) »
Hi there,
I am new to this forum so be gentle with me...
I have hit a brick wall in my family history research.  My paternal great-grandmother is proving to be a stubborn old girl and very hard to find details on.
Her name is Agnes Kerr and I cannot locate a birth certificate although she was 20 at the time of her marriage to Peter Cunningham on 7th February 1913.  They married at 6 Thread Street, Paisley - according to the forms of the Christian Brethren.

I have paid for and obtained a copy of their marriage certificate showing her father as John Kerr and mother as Helen Wylie.  Here lies my next hurdle.  The only Kerr I can find that married Helen Wylie is a William Kerr.  I am assuming he changed his name to John for some reason.

Agnes and Peter Cunningham had children, one being my grandmother who died in 1940 at the age of 24 (Catherine Kerr Cunningham) a few days after giving birth to my uncle Peter.  My dad John Stewart Hughes was 2 at the time.

I would welcome any information that you may be able to give me.  I have looked at this forum all afternoon (I am in Australia) and am very impressed with it.

Kindest regards.
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Re: Looking for Kerr family information
« Reply #1 on: Monday 01 October 07 09:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Moryan

Welcome to Rootschat. I''m so glad that you decided to join  Smiley

I see your problem. The only Agnes that seems to fit on the 1901 census has parents William and Nellie - 17 Berkely Street, paisley (Ref - 573/1 ED 25 page 23). Here,  William is a Book Maker. What occupation does it give on her marriage certificate?  It might help.

This Agnes is shown as being born Paisley. On the Scotlands People website www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk there are 3 registrations in Paisley - 1890, 1896 and 1897. There's also one in Kilbarchan in 1892.

The father's occupation might be the best clue.

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Re: Looking for Kerr family information
« Reply #2 on: Monday 01 October 07 09:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Gadget and thank you for your prompt response  Cheesy

On the marriage certificate John Kerr is listed as a shoemaker (so a book maker could be a spelling mistake and he could be a boot maker - that's what I have assumed anyway).  Both he and Helen/Nellie were deceased at the time of the marriage in 1913.

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« Reply #3 on: Monday 01 October 07 09:47 BST (UK) »
I'll have a detailed look at the census image and see what it looks like  Smiley

Agnes could have been nervous and given the wrong name. Also, if they were dead, it might be worth looking for deaths for them. I'll have a quick look.

Another thought, do you know when Agnes died? Her death cert would also give parents' names.

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Re: Looking for Kerr family information
« Reply #4 on: Monday 01 October 07 10:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Moryan and Gadget

Helen Wylie Kerr, married to William Kerr died in 1903 of breast cancer:

1903   WYLIE   HELEN       KERR   F   46   PAISLEY   /RENFREW   573/01 1270

William Kerr shows reported death. He shows as a shoemaker. The address looks like Barclay Street in Paisley.

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Monica
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Re: Looking for Kerr family information
« Reply #5 on: Monday 01 October 07 10:12 BST (UK) »
Just seen the 1901 census entry with mother as Nellie W Kerr. The address matches the death cert details above.

Monica
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Re: Looking for Kerr family information
« Reply #6 on: Monday 01 October 07 10:18 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much MonicaLesl! 
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« Reply #7 on: Monday 01 October 07 10:25 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that Monica - my line went down in the middle of looking it up.

Gadget

PS - after having to reinstall Java because of a Firefox update. I've just got back in to Scotlands People and it is definitely Book maker  - so it was a mis-transcription  on the original record  Sad
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« Reply #8 on: Monday 01 October 07 10:38 BST (UK) »
Gadget, I use firefox exclusively - the updates however send my settings into a spin too (java and firefox don't like each other at all, so much so that I have stopped using java!).

This looks like Helen's birth entry:

HELEN WYLIE  Birth: 07 AUG 1857  Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland
Parents: THOMAS WYLIE    and CATHERINE MCALPINE    
   
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Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
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« Reply #9 on: Monday 01 October 07 10:44 BST (UK) »
Well, this mornings was a right mess up spin  Angry  It hung the computer. Then my line went down and then it hung some more - just SP though. it worked fine with all the other sites I use.

Where were we - there are quite a few deaths for William Kerr in Paisley 1903 -1913. I think the most likely one is the 1907 one, aged 49.

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Re: Looking for Kerr family information
« Reply #10 on: Monday 01 October 07 10:47 BST (UK) »
Yep, that's the right one. William died an alcoholic in the Paisley Poorhouse a few year later:

1907   KERR   WILLIAM           M   49   PAISLEY   /RENFREW   573/01 0543

Moryan, William's death cert. details are a perfect example of how the information on certificates can sometimes be misleading. His parents are down as James Kerr and (as the name of Helen's mother) Catherine McAlpine. The informant is the Poorhouse Governor.  I think you will need to look at William and Helen's marriage cert to re-confirm their parents' names.

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Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
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« Reply #11 on: Monday 01 October 07 10:53 BST (UK) »
This is the marriage and the family's 1891 entry:

1882   KERR   WILLIAM   WYLIE   HELEN   PAISLEY   /RENFREW   573/00 0357

1891:

William Kerr    34, boot maker, b. Paisley
Helen Kerr    33, b. Paisley
James Kerr    8, b. Paisley
Catherine Kerr    6, b. Paisley
Robert Kerr    4, b. Paisley
Margaret Kerr    1, b. Glasgow

Address:  236 Mathieson St, Hutchesontown, Glasgow Govan.
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Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
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« Reply #12 on: Monday 01 October 07 10:59 BST (UK) »
That's more like it  Roll Eyes William's parents' marriage entry with lots of additional info, an actual extract from the Old Parish Registers:

JAMES KERR  Marriages: Spouse: MARGARET DRINNAN    
Marriage: 28 FEB 1851  High Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
Husband Age at Marriage: 42    
Wife Age at Marriage:     36
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Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
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Re: Looking for Kerr family information
« Reply #13 on: Monday 01 October 07 11:08 BST (UK) »
Hi there you wonderful helpers.

Thanks for ALL the info.  I am still stumped with Agnes.  Maybe she was born with another name???  Just a thought, it looks as though her father changed his.

Regards Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: Monday 01 October 07 11:10 BST (UK) »
Did you check out the Kilbarchan one, moryan?  It was the only 1902 with that name in Renfrewshire - even using wildcards! The 1890 one is a wee bit older.

Gadget  Smiley
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