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martin mosley
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William Nicholson, Blythe
« on: Monday 01 October 07 18:54 BST (UK) »

Hi,
I am looking for information regarding William Nicholson and his wife, who apparently ran the Beehive public house for many years through the middle of the 19th century. If anyone is able to find info regarding him or his family it would be greatfully received.

Does anyone know where the Beehive was, and if it still exists?

Thank you all in advance

Martin
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Re: William Nicholson, Blythe
« Reply #1 on: Monday 01 October 07 19:44 BST (UK) »

Hi Martin,
were you wanting personal info or census information perhaps?

1871 RG10; Piece: 3459; Folio: 89; Page: 5 has him as a farmer and publican living at East Gate Worksop with employees and family.

I can post if you want this kind of stuff.

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Re: William Nicholson, Blythe
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 02 October 07 04:49 BST (UK) »

Thanks Heywood,

The answer is that I'm looking for everything I might be lucky enough to find, I have no census info, and I know very little of William and his family, though I believe he was married to Mary HINDS.

If you have access to census images, they would at least give me a start. Indeed I did not know he had gone to Worksop before your posting.

Thanks again
Martin


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Re: William Nicholson, Blythe
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 02 October 07 13:43 BST (UK) »

I think this is your man- 1891 names The Beehive but it is Worksop. (note that the street number changes)

I'll work backwards:

Free BMD death June quarter 1898 Worksop 7b pg 16 William Nicholson aged 68 yrs
can't see a death for Mary nor can I see her in 1901.

1891 RG12; Piece: 2644; Folio 4; Page 2

22 Eastgate (Beehive) Worksop
William Nicholson 60 yrs farmer and publican b Blyth
Mary 61 yrs b Kneesall
Amy daur 18 yrs b Worksop
John Flower servant 46 yrs farm servant b Worksop

1881 RG11; Piece: 3306; Folio: 18; Page: 2

13 Eastgate (Beehive)
William Nicholson 51 yrs farmer and innkeeper 240 acres employing 8 labourers 1 boy b Blyth
Mary 51 yrs b Kneesall
James son 12 yrs
John son 10 yrs
Amy son 7 yrs
John Flower servant 38 yrs
Fanny Grafton servant 18 yrs
children and servant born Worksop

1871 RG10; Piece: 3459; Folio: 89; Page: 5

13 Eastgate Worksop

William Nicholson 41 yrs farmer and publican b Blyth
Mary 40 yrs b Kneesall
Anne daur 18 yrs barmaid b Babworth
Elizabeth daur 16 yrs milliner
Fanny daur 13 yrs
George son 11 yrs
Sarah daur 8 yrs
William son 6 yrs
Edward son 4 yrs
James son 2 yrs
John son 3 months
Ann Bartrop visitor widowed 73 yrs b Ordsall
Harriet Bell niece 13 yrs
Geroge Harris servant 23 yrs
John Flower servant 25 yrs

everyone else born Worksop

1861 RG9; Piece: 2419; Folio: 26; Page: 9

13 Eastgate Beehive Inn Worksop

William 31 yrs publican and farmer
Mary 30
Ann 7
Elizabeth 5
John Flower servant 16 farm servant
William Kelk servant 36 ditto
james Davy boarder 70 farm labourer
Ann Hinde sister unm 21 b Kneesall

Fanny and George at RG9; Piece: 2419; Folio: 33; Page: 23
32 Gateford Rd Worksop
Eliza Cartwright unm 40 yrs school mistress
Fanny Nicholson nurse child 3 yrs
George -do- nurse child 1 yrs

in these censuses there have been 2 Williams b 1829/30 Blyth but the one above is yours.
1851 and 1841 not coming up so will look again.

phew!

best wishes
heywood


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Re: William Nicholson, Blythe
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 02 October 07 14:04 BST (UK) »

Heywood,

How can I thank you. You have found 40 years of this families life in one morning!

I have been struggling to understand the Nicholsons for some time, and you have helped enormously with regard to this particular branch. Many thanks for the efforts you have made, they are greatly appreciated.

Martin


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Re: William Nicholson, Blythe
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 02 October 07 14:27 BST (UK) »

I'd say this is him

1851 HO107; Piece: 2122; Folio: 159; Page: 24
Church Rd Worksop Mill Radford

William Nicholson 21 yrs carrier or carter b Barnby Moor

in the home of Francis Skelton miller.

Mary Hind is a servant in Worksop in the employ of a school mistress.

strong possibility
1841 HO107; Piece 849; Book: 2 Folio: 6; Page: 6

Barnby
Edward Nichlnson (as written) 45 yrs M S
Fanney 30 yrs
James 15 yrs
William 10 yrs
Mary 3 yrs
Fanney 1 yr

Fanney snr not born in county- rest were.


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Re: William Nicholson, Blythe
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 02 October 07 14:34 BST (UK) »

back again - sorry

just thought I would look on Family Search and note that William's parents are listed as Edward and Elizabeth. (even though 1841 ages are rounded down - wondered about Fanney's age)

Free BMD has a marriage December 1837 quarter possible spouses Edward Nicholson and Frances Fisher.
Checked and young Fanney is on Family search - Edward and Fanny.

that's it I think
best wishes again
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Re: William Nicholson, Blythe
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 02 October 07 15:55 BST (UK) »

Hi Martin,

I had part finished this but did not have time to post earlier…..hope it helps

From NFHS Baptism & Marriage Cd index;

Marriage:
William Nicholson & Mary HIND – 3rd April 1853, Worksop Priory (St Mary & St Cuthbert)

Following Children = Parents William & Mary Nicholson

Baptised Babworth
Ann, born 2nd July 1853, baptised 14th Aug 1853 – fathers occupation, Labourer. Abode Forest Lock.

Baptised Worksop Priory (St Mary & St Cuthbert)
Elizabeth, 23rd Sep 1855 - fathers occupation,Publican - Abode Common
George, 31st Aug 1859 - fathers occupation,Publican - Abode Common
Mary, 4th Oct 1863 - fathers occupation,Publican - Abode Eastgate
Sarah, 30th Dec 1863 - fathers occupation,Publican - Abode Worksop
Fanny, 4th Nov 1865 - fathers occupation,Farmer - abode Worksop
William, 11th April 1866 - fathers occupation,Publican - Abode Eastgate
Baptised - Worksop St John
Edward, 25th Dec 1869 - fathers occupation,Farmer - Abode Eastgate
James, 25th Dec 1869 - fathers occupation,Farmer - Abode Eastgate
John Abraham, 12th March 1871 - fathers occupation,Publican - Abode Eastgate
Edith Amy, 28th May 1894 - fathers occupation,Farmer. - Abode Eastgate

At first I did wonder if Edith Amy did belong to the above family but my guess is she was baptised for her impending wedding……..
William Henry Redfearn & Edith Amy Nicholson 11th August 1894 at Worksop St John

She is on the 1901 with William Redfearn and her age and birthplace match and also from the freeBMD
Births Dec 1873
Nicholson Edith Amy Worksop 7b 30

This is possibly your William and his parents in Blyth ?

Marriage at Blyth
Edward Nicholson & Elizabeth BATTERSBY – 22nd May 1820

Baptisms all children of Edward & Elizabeth at Blyth, fathers occupation Labourer;
George, 17th Dec 1820
Sarah, 1st June 1823
John, 7th Aug 1825
James, 30th March 1828
William, 21st Nov 1830

Best Wishes

Sheila.


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Re: William Nicholson, Blythe
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 02 October 07 16:05 BST (UK) »

Hi Martin,

These may be your William & Mary?

Burial at Worksop Priory (St Mary & St Cuthbert) – abode Worksop.

Mary – 24th Sept 1897, aged 67 yrs.
William – 25th May 1898, age 68 yrs – abode Worksop.

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Re: William Nicholson, Blythe
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 02 October 07 16:16 BST (UK) »

What can I say?

To go from knowing absolutely nothing about this family, to seeing each important stage of their lives, and all in the space of one day!

Heywood and Dizzifish, you are stars and I only wish I could be of help to you at some stage.

Am now in the process of updating my databases.

Many thanks
Martin


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Re: William Nicholson, Blythe
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 02 October 07 16:29 BST (UK) »

Hi Martin,

You are welcome…..

Just to add to Heywoods find of Edward’s marriage to Frances Fisher,

Marriage at Clarborough;
Edward Nicholson & Frances Fisher – 30th Nov 1837

The Worksop & Clarborough marriages I could double check the detail’s for at my local library, possibly sometime next week if that helps?

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Re: William Nicholson, Blythe
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 02 October 07 16:38 BST (UK) »

...Everything helps, without wishing to overload your no doubt already busy schedules.

Thanks again
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Re: William Nicholson, Blythe
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 02 October 07 16:43 BST (UK) »

Looks like Elizabeth Battersby was Williams mother, another colleague has come to the same conclusion. It would appear we are all on the same track!


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Re: William Nicholson, Blythe
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 02 October 07 16:54 BST (UK) »

Hi Martin,

Yes.......

That what I was implying on reply 7,

Marriage at Blyth
Edward Nicholson & Elizabeth BATTERSBY – 22nd May 1820

I also found this baptism, the only one for parents Edward & Frances but I haven't seen the census to help confirm it.

Baptism at Blyth - 10th March 1847
George Nicholson, parents Edward & Frances, fathers occupation - Farming Man, Abode, Barnby Moor.

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Re: William Nicholson, Blythe
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 02 October 07 17:37 BST (UK) »

Ok, now getting into the detail!

I am sorry if I'm becoming a pain, but I notice that there are two baptisms in 1863, Oct for Mary, and Dec for Sarah. There are also two on Christmas day 1869 (that could be logical, either twins or a 'bulk' baptism)

However it seems strange to baptise two children within three months of each other... or does it?

Were they twins? Was one ill and baptised in a hurry?

This game always results in more questions than answers.


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