Welcome, Guest. Please login or register for free.
Did you miss your activation email?
Tuesday 01 December 09 10:21 UTC (UK)
Welcome Home Help Surnames Library Shop Search Login Register

+  RootsChat.Com
|-+  Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901)
| |-+  Wales - General
| | |-+  Pembrokeshire (Moderator: RootsChat)
| | | |-+  Llewellyn family in Pembroke
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 Print
Author Topic: Llewellyn family in Pembroke  (Read 1484 times)
wdytyanoidea
RootsChat Extra
**
Posts: 65
Llewellyn family in Pembroke
« on: Wednesday 03 October 07 20:52 UTC (UK) »
Looking for information on a James Llewellyn who was a shipwright. He had a son David born about 1809 with the census records showing he was born in Pembroke.

James is not shown as deceased on David's marriage certificate in 1842 but I cannot find James on the 1841 or 1851 census records.

Not a lot to go on I'm afraid.....but here's hoping.

Regards

Jon
Logged
Dewis
Garmonsway
Manning
Francis
Llewellyn
Craze
Friend
lambkin
RootsChat Senior
****
Posts: 273
Re: Llewellyn family in Pembroke
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 04 October 07 10:23 UTC (UK) »
Have you thought to look at any other ship building area such a Devonport?
Logged
Buckney
Siddoway Durham/ Northumberland
Odell Stevington
Joy Kempston
Gilby Wellingborough
Brown Winlaton
Urwin Durham/ Northumberland
Poole Bedfordshire
Tompkins Stagsden Bed's
Vaughan Monkton Pembrokeshire
Buckney Angle Village Pembrokeshire
Grimes Langwm Pembrokeshire

Dudley Bedfordshire pre 1580
osprey
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Posts: 3626


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Re: Llewellyn family in Pembroke
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 04 October 07 10:27 UTC (UK) »
how about this one from 1851?

64 Front St, Pembroke Dock HO107/2476 folio 451 pg 11
James Llewhellin head mar 68 ? shipwright b. Pembs, Martletwy
Elizabeth wife 67  b. Pembs, Dale
William son 34 shipwright b. Pembs, Ferry St Mary
Anne dau 39 at home b. Pembs, Ferry St Mary

sorry, can't make out the word before shipwright for James' occupation
Logged
Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
osprey
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Posts: 3626


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Re: Llewellyn family in Pembroke
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 04 October 07 11:05 UTC (UK) »
1861 Pater (Pembroke Dock) RG9/4156 folio 36 pg 14
George Llewhellen head mar 36 shipwright b. Pembroke
Ann wife 36 b. Lawrenny
Edwin son 7 months b. Pembroke Dock
William H brother unm 42 shipwright b. Pembroke Dock

baptisms from IGI batch C082911 St Mary's Pembroke (St John's, Pembroke Dock didn't exist until 1840s)
all to James and Elizabeth Llewellyn
William bp 27/9/1816
George bp 9/4/1823
Ann bp 20/4/1821
James bp 29/12/1819

No sign of a David in that batch but there are problems with the IGI before 1813 in Wales as it often assumes a patronymic naming pattern, making the usual searches useless.
http://home.clara.net/tirbach/HelpPagepearls4.html#IGIpatro
Logged
Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
osprey
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Posts: 3626


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Re: Llewellyn family in Pembroke
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 04 October 07 11:20 UTC (UK) »
possible death reg for James

James Llewhellyn sept qtr 1858 Pembroke vol 11a vol 391

several possibles for Elizabeth between 1851 and 1861.
I'm having no luck finding the family in 1841. Could be they have been mistranscribed.
Undecided
Logged
Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
lambkin
RootsChat Senior
****
Posts: 273
Re: Llewellyn family in Pembroke
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 04 October 07 15:09 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: osprey on Thursday 04 October 07 11:05 UTC (UK)
1861 Pater (Pembroke Dock) RG9/4156 folio 36 pg 14
George Llewhellen head mar 36 shipwright b. Pembroke
Ann wife 36 b. Lawrenny
Edwin son 7 months b. Pembroke Dock
William H brother unm 42 shipwright b. Pembroke Dock

baptisms from IGI batch C082911 St Mary's Pembroke (St John's, Pembroke Dock didn't exist until 1840s)
all to James and Elizabeth Llewellyn
William bp 27/9/1816
George bp 9/4/1823
Ann bp 20/4/1821
James bp 29/12/1819

No sign of a David in that batch but there are problems with the IGI before 1813 in Wales as it often assumes a patronymic naming pattern, making the usual searches useless.
http://home.clara.net/tirbach/HelpPagepearls4.html#IGIpatro



I always thought Pembroke Dock  was around before 1840  Undecided
Logged
Buckney
Siddoway Durham/ Northumberland
Odell Stevington
Joy Kempston
Gilby Wellingborough
Brown Winlaton
Urwin Durham/ Northumberland
Poole Bedfordshire
Tompkins Stagsden Bed's
Vaughan Monkton Pembrokeshire
Buckney Angle Village Pembrokeshire
Grimes Langwm Pembrokeshire

Dudley Bedfordshire pre 1580
osprey
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Posts: 3626


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Re: Llewellyn family in Pembroke
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 04 October 07 15:28 UTC (UK) »
Pembroke Dock was, the church of St John the Evangelist wasn't. It was consecrated in 1848 so, although births for this family might have been in Pembroke Dock, the baptisms would be elsewhere.

Sorry my comma was confusing.
Logged
Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
lambkin
RootsChat Senior
****
Posts: 273
Re: Llewellyn family in Pembroke
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 04 October 07 15:33 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: osprey on Thursday 04 October 07 15:28 UTC (UK)
Pembroke Dock was, the church of St John the Evangelist wasn't. It was consecrated in 1848 so, although births for this family might have been in Pembroke Dock, the baptisms would be elsewhere.

Sorry my comma was confusing.


I wasn't picking at holes Grin It's just I live in PD and I thought it was here before then. Grin
Logged
Buckney
Siddoway Durham/ Northumberland
Odell Stevington
Joy Kempston
Gilby Wellingborough
Brown Winlaton
Urwin Durham/ Northumberland
Poole Bedfordshire
Tompkins Stagsden Bed's
Vaughan Monkton Pembrokeshire
Buckney Angle Village Pembrokeshire
Grimes Langwm Pembrokeshire

Dudley Bedfordshire pre 1580
osprey
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Posts: 3626


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Re: Llewellyn family in Pembroke
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 04 October 07 16:37 UTC (UK) »
You got me checking now - 1814 was the start of the naval dockyard according to Wikipedia, but Paterchurch was around long before that. But, I did realise while looking, that the places of birth for William and Ann in 1851 should have read Pembroke Ferry, St Mary's.
  Smiley    Grin

Hope it's the right family now - what census entries do you have for David?
Logged
Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
osprey
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Posts: 3626


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Re: Llewellyn family in Pembroke
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 04 October 07 17:42 UTC (UK) »
At last! Transcribed as Kerchelling  Roll Eyes

1841 Front St, Pembroke Dock HO107/1451/2 folio 9 pg 9
James Llewhelling 50 shipwright
Elizabeth 50
William 20 shipwright
James 20 shipwright
Ann 20
George 15 shipwright apprentice
all born in county
Logged
Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
wdytyanoidea
RootsChat Extra
**
Posts: 65
Re: Llewellyn family in Pembroke
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 04 October 07 19:31 UTC (UK) »
Thank you Osprey and Lambkin. Very kind of you to take the time to do a look up for me.  It seems as it could well be the correct family but it is difficult to be sure as David by the 1841 census was living in Cardiff and working as a tailor.

On the 1841 census it just states born out of county. 1851 states born Madllhey (cannot find this place possibly spelt wrong) Pembrokeshire. 1861 says born Parish of Correy Pembrokeshire ( again cannot find this parish).1871 states born Larmy Pembrokeshire ( cannot find this place.) 1881 says born Pembroke Dock.

On the 1861 census he is shown as a Baptist Lay Preacher and on all others as a Tailor.

Can you suggest which parish register to look for David's baptism hoping I can connect him with the family you have found.

Many thanks again for your efforts

Jon
Logged
Dewis
Garmonsway
Manning
Francis
Llewellyn
Craze
Friend
osprey
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Posts: 3626


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Re: Llewellyn family in Pembroke
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 04 October 07 20:20 UTC (UK) »
mmm, doesn't seem to ever so sure about his place of birth, does he? I rather like the one from 1881 as it ties up with the family I found, but...

1851 - could be Mathry, Martletwy?
1861 - Carew?
1871 - Lawrenny?

Think I'd go for the baptisms from St Mary's, Pembroke to start with. This gives you the whereabouts of the records

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Pembroke/StMary/index.html#ChurchRecords
Logged
Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
wdytyanoidea
RootsChat Extra
**
Posts: 65
Re: Llewellyn family in Pembroke
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 07 October 07 18:16 UTC (UK) »
Thanks again Osprey for your help, its been really helpful. Perhaps a trip to Pembroke will reveal all.
Logged
Dewis
Garmonsway
Manning
Francis
Llewellyn
Craze
Friend
lambkin
RootsChat Senior
****
Posts: 273
Re: Llewellyn family in Pembroke
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 07 October 07 18:21 UTC (UK) »
Or even Pembroke Dock Wink
Logged
Buckney
Siddoway Durham/ Northumberland
Odell Stevington
Joy Kempston
Gilby Wellingborough
Brown Winlaton
Urwin Durham/ Northumberland
Poole Bedfordshire
Tompkins Stagsden Bed's
Vaughan Monkton Pembrokeshire
Buckney Angle Village Pembrokeshire
Grimes Langwm Pembrokeshire

Dudley Bedfordshire pre 1580
wdytyanoidea
RootsChat Extra
**
Posts: 65
Re: Llewellyn family in Pembroke
« Reply #14 on: Monday 04 February 08 21:34 UTC (UK) »
A trip to the record office in Haverfordwest proved successful. David was baptised in  Dec 1806 in the parish of Martletwy. He was the illegitimate son of James Llewelin and Elizabeth Grunna.

IGI have him shown under his mothers name.

If this is the same James and Elizabeth who are shown in the 1841 and 1851  census records living in Front St Pembroke Dock then they must have married after the birth of David.

Looks like I need to find a marriage record next?
Logged
Dewis
Garmonsway
Manning
Francis
Llewellyn
Craze
Friend
Pages: [1] 2 Print 
« previous next »


[Copyright] [Shrink Link] [About Us] [Terms of Use]
All Census Lookups are Crown Copyright, National Archives for academic and non-commercial research purposes only
RootsChat.com cannot be held responsible directly or indirectly for the messages or content posted by others. Inline images in messages are the copyright of the respective linked sites.
RootsChat.com, Europa House, Bury, Lancashire, BL9 5BT

In loving memory of Eric George Davies, 1934-2009, the father of RootsChat.com































Powered by SMF 1.0.7 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines LLC
0.046:19