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Gadget
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Wozzle - it's nearly time for bed 
Marjory is not a 'common' name for that time, is it? I'm still wondering about the 1850 bpt of Margaret that I found 
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Gadget
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The IGI has a Marjery McRae, Glenelg, March 1850. parents - Donald Mcrae and Bell Fletcher
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Gadget
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IGI Applecross 27 May 1816 - bpt of Margaret McCrae. Parents - Alexander Mcrae and Isabel Mcbeath.
My nose tells me that the grandparents might have put their names down as parents for Marjory for various reasons. There's a link there somewhere
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steve3794
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Hi there,
Thank you so much for your help, how have you managed it so quickly?
The earlyist records I have for Marjory Gillies is her marriage cert 1870 then on census from 1871 married name.
Steve
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JAP
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Hello Steve,
There's no Duncan GILLIES in Applecross in 1841 - but, from FreeCEN, there are 3 entries in Applecross for a Duncan GILLES (i.e. without the second 'I').
At Caldui, Applecross:
Duncan GILLES 40 Farmer
Margt GILLES 30
John GILLES 8
Christian GILLES 6
Janet GILLES 6 months
All born Ross & Cromarty.
Baptisms in the IGI to Duncan GILLIES (with the second 'I') & Margaret MCRAE are:
Christian (female) 1835
Marsal (male) 1838
Janet 1841
There's also one to Duncan GILLIES & Mary MCRAE - probably the same people:
John GILLIES 1832
Note that, of John 1832, Christian 1835, Marsal 1838 and Janet 1841, Marsal is not in the 1841 household (did not survive?).
I wonder if anyone can find this family anywhere in 1851?
JAP
PS: Here is a web site which refers to Culduie (sic) Cottage, Applecross and says that it has been in the GILLIES family since 1837:
http://www.geocities.com/bjgillies/
and some history at:
http://www.geocities.com/bjgillies/history2.html
A Google finds other web sites for Culduie.
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JAP
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Hello again Steve,
Unfortunately I don't have access to censuses so can't search myself.
However, I'm thinking that it would be worth your while to start a new thread - but on the General Scotland Board - requesting (say):
1851/1861 census lookup - GILL(I)ES
In the request, you could simply ask for a lookup in the 1851 and 1861 censuses, anywhere in Scotland, for the following family which appears as follows in 1841:
Applecross, Ross & Cromarty
Duncan GILLES 40 Farmer
Margt GILLES 30
John GILLES 8
Christian GILLES 6
Janet GILLES 6 months
All recorded in the 1841 as born Ross & Cromarty
The request wouldn't need to say anything more.
New pairs of eyes, focussing solely on the census request, just might come up with something  You never know But it seems to be worth a try? At least if the above family were to be found, you would learn whether or not they had a Marjory (however spelled) with them ...
Good luck,
JAP
PS: Assuming that the above family did have further children (possibly including your Marjory) there could be all sorts of reasons why you can't find further baptisms. For instance, for whatever reason, they might have chosen not to baptize subsequent children. Or they could have baptized them in a church, the records of which are not in the IGI or on ScotlandsPeople ...
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Gadget
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Hi Steve and JAP
wozzle and I have search the whole of Scotland in the 1851 for Gi*es, various first names. This is the best that I can come up with:
Culdine, Applecross - 58 ED 1 page 19
Alex Gillies, hd, 74, farmer of 3 acres, b. Applecross
Catherine, wife, 64, b. Applecross
Margaret, dau, 37, lunatic, b. Applecross
Donald, son, 24, farmer's son and fisherman, b. Applecross
Barbara McLennan, granddaughter, 12, scholar, b. Applecross
In addition to the one I found a fortnight ago:
This is very strange - unless her age is way out. i've done a big search on the 1851 and only come up with this one which, I think might be the one I found before: 1851 Applecross CallaKille District 58 ED 3 page 6 John Macbeath, hd, 58, farmer of 3 acres, b. Applecross Alex Gillies, s-in-law, 26, ag Lab, b. Applecross Janet McBeath, dau, 26, b. Applecross Infant Gillies,grddaughter, 3 months, b. Applecross Christy McLeod, serv, 25, General Servant, b. Applecross Maybe the 1861 will turn up something Gadget
and wozzle found at the same time on the 1841:
1841
possible for duncan.
alexr gilles age 64 b. in county. occ. farmer.
cathrine gilles age 50. b. in county.
mary gilles age 28. b. out of county.
duncan gilles age 20. b. in county.
barbara mclenan age 3. b. out of county.
living at ardu culdin,applecross,ross and cromarty.
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JAP
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Hello Gadget,
I'm sorry but I'm a bit lost
I can't see any connexion (other than the name GILLIES and the location of Applecross) between the above entries and the family which Steve is looking for in 1851 and 1861 i.e. Duncan & Margaret, with children John, Christian & Janet (already found in the 1841) - and possibly more children by 1851 - who might be the parents of Steve's Marjory b Applecross ca 1848.
Am I missing something?
I guess that in the 1851 the surname might be woefully mistranscribed (and they might be anywhere) - which would make them hard to find 
Cheers,
JAP
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Gadget
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Quite JAP
If you read the earlier part of this thread, wozzle and I spent quite a lot of time looking for the parents and the young Marjory, all over Scotland. What we found we put up.
I assume either mistranscription or 'economies of truth' by Marjory.
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JAP
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Hi Gadget,
Of course I'm aware that searches have been made for Marjory without success - you've obviously done a lot of work.
That's partly why I have suggested to Steve that it might be a good idea to make a 'bare bones' request on the General Scotland board.
When I say 'bare bones', I mean not introducing any complications (e.g. not mentioning Marjory) just in case any bright spark can find the 1841 family in the 1851 and the 1861.
And no, I'm not suggesting that I'm a bright spark  for finding possible parents for Marjory (a Duncan GILLIES & a Margaret) in the 1841 (under GILLES) - which had not been found previously on this thread. It's just that fresh eyes do so often pick up something which has been missed. I've missed things all too often enough myself to be very conscious of this 
Anyway, it's up to Steve to decide whether to post a separate request. I still think it would be a good idea (unless, of course, you and wozzle find the family in 1851 and 1861 before then).
All the best,
JAP
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Gadget
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Marjory is not really a 'Highland' name. I'm wondering if she adopted it later in life.
The family you found don't see to come through to the 1851 at all. It could be missing pages, unenumerated or a variety of reasons.
And, as I'm sure that you are aware, JAP, with your vast experience, not everyone can be found.
Gadget
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JAP
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Ah well, perhaps they'll turn up in 1861 ...
The censuses are the important thing. However, as for the name Marjory in general, I don't know anything about its distribution. But these things are interesting so I just did a quick search in the IGI for forename Marjory (no surname) in Scotland, R&C, and it actually gets quite a number of hits; ditto for Inverness. And the name does appear in Applecross. Batch C110582 (1797-1855) has 14 entries for Marjory and one for Margery. Batch C110581 (1855-1867) has 3 entries for Marjory. However batch C110583 (1868-1875) doesn't have any entries for Marjory.
JAP
PS: "vast experience", eh 
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Gadget
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Not sure if 15 in 58 years is a vast number
I really think that she was not quite truthful on her wedding cert. It happened quite a lot - as some of my ancestors did - and that this was carried forward to her death cert.
I checked SP for bpts 1848-1842 in Ross & Cromarty and only the one that I found before came up:
20 Dec 1850 Margaret Gillies to Alexr Gillies and Janet Macbeath, Applecross
I then checked the 1851 for female Gil*es aged 0-3 in R & C and this is what I found:
Applecross:
Ann Gillies 2
Ann Gillies 2
Flora Gillies 0
also a Margret (0) in Barvas and a Mary (1) in Lochs - both in the Long Isle
Gadget
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