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Re: Help please - strange script
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 07 October 07 10:09 BST (UK) »

I've had a good look at the Map, Steve, and can't find it. it could be related to the crofting or before that the lotting system  Undecided

Try some of the info/gazeteers here:

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« Reply #16 on: Sunday 07 October 07 10:16 BST (UK) »

Found it in the Gazeteer:

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Middlequarter  (Ceathramh Meadhanach)
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A small settlement overlooking Vallay Strand on the north coast of North Uist in the Outer Hebrides, Middlequarter (Gael: Ceathramh Meadhanach) is located between Malaclate and Sollas, 7½ miles (12 km) northwest of Lochmaddy.

http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/anyword.html

Gadget  Cheesy

PS another thought, as he was a joiner, could it be some Masonic script - i don't know anything about them though except for reading one book  Undecided
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Re: Help please - strange script
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 07 October 07 12:25 BST (UK) »


Steve

Having printed the script out I was looking at it from a distance when I thought that some of the characters looked a bit like clerks in the 16/17 century used to write.

4th line which looks like iiiiv with a back to front J might well be 9 something.

Legalalise used to write numbers similar to iiiiv. So thinking along those line plus the fact that you say you have a photo of Angus with the bottom two lines also in different writing perhaps a lawyer or his clerk did an inventory at some time or other and wrote down details on the backs of both photo's.

Perhaps not Old English but Old Scottish would explain not understanding what's written??

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« Reply #18 on: Sunday 07 October 07 12:33 BST (UK) »

I'm reading this thread with interest - it's fascinating!  I haven't got any clues at all to the meaning of the writing, sorry.  I did look up Masonic codes, on Gadget's suggestion, but only really came up with a cipher that doesn't look anything like this example  Undecided

There were lots of forms of shorthand, code, and cipher used pre-20th century, I know it was pretty popular at one time to write using such things (Samuel Pepys used a form of shorthand for his diaries).  I suppose people could have made up their own, personal, forms too.

By the way, I think that the photo (from what I can see anyway) is more likely 1890s than 1870s.  Smiley  Not sure whether that makes a blind bit of difference!

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Re: Help please - strange script
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 07 October 07 15:53 BST (UK) »

This link may be of interest, it gives examples of the Pitman code of shorthand.

http://pitmanshorthand.homestead.com/BasicsofPitman.html
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« Reply #20 on: Sunday 07 October 07 16:24 BST (UK) »

I was looking at the Scottish Handwriting site and couldn't draw too many parallels with any old hand such as secretary.  The examples are a lot tighter than this open lettering.

But I did see a page about "j" as part of numerals...
http://www.scottishhandwriting.com/cmNul.asp

Problem is this all pre dates photography by a 100 years or so!
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« Reply #21 on: Sunday 07 October 07 16:36 BST (UK) »

Think you cracked it Prue. I googled 'shorthand' and come up with other sites including Treeline which, on one of their  pages, also shows examples of the alphabet which includes  b and j which look similar to some of the writing.

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If any of your ancestors at the turn of the century worked as shorthand typists then it may have been them that wrote the info down. Maybe there is a site online that specialises in shorthand history who could help you.

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« Reply #22 on: Sunday 07 October 07 16:45 BST (UK) »

Guess you are right Pam.

I was trying to make sense of that line. Thought it might have been age year month day as the last two look like July 3.

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« Reply #23 on: Sunday 07 October 07 16:53 BST (UK) »


Here's a German shorthand !  Smiley looks a bit similar !!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabelsberger_shorthand

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« Reply #24 on: Sunday 07 October 07 21:39 BST (UK) »

LOL  Grin Grin Grin Annie!!!
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« Reply #25 on: Sunday 07 October 07 22:01 BST (UK) »

Have you tried standing on your head yet - or maybe it's that way up in the southern hemisphere  Grin

Marjory was b,. circa 1848-50 in Applecross - see other thread  Smiley

I'm wondering if it could have been someone just practising writing on the nearest bit of card. I've got lots of funnies in the Family Bible  Undecided Alternatively, just an offspring trying to copy 'grown up' writing  Undecided

OR - a left hander

Gadget - a lefty  Smiley
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« Reply #26 on: Sunday 07 October 07 22:07 BST (UK) »

I'm a left hander too (we artisitc types  Roll Eyes) , but have never seen anything like it. But it's justified (each line starts at) to the right, not the left, which adds credence to Gadet's theory.

But then "bible" would be wrong....

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« Reply #27 on: Sunday 07 October 07 22:39 BST (UK) »

There's a recurring character in the last line, like a lightning slash, that looks runic. See here:

http://tinyurl.com/3cd7ty

On the other hand, if you flip vertical and horizontal, the middle line looks like "niksmum"...maybe you should ask her Grin

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« Reply #28 on: Monday 08 October 07 00:45 BST (UK) »

I'm wondering if it could have been someone just practising writing on the nearest bit of card. I've got lots of funnies in the Family Bible  Undecided Alternatively, just an offspring trying to copy 'grown up' writing  Undecided

Cal241 and I were very excited about some writing (perfectly legible, but meaningless) on the back of a photo of an unidentified rellie - until I posted it on rootschat, and it turned out to refer to a horse running in a race at Newmarket  Undecided Undecided Grin Grin

Obviously the photo of g-g-g-g-grandad (or whoever it was) was sitting next to the telephone or something while grandma was talking to the bookie!

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« Reply #29 on: Monday 08 October 07 00:50 BST (UK) »


And you think I'm bad !!  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Was she Irish ... by any chance Huh  Grin
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