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JeannieR
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Re: Sharman/Prior
« Reply #15 on: Friday 12 October 07 10:11 UTC (UK) »
Hi Guys......


There is a birth registration for a George Joseph Sharman........

March 1872 / Plomesgate, Suffolk / vol 4a page 707.....

There is a marriage for a Ruth Prior, in 1898, but as "Yours" was single in 1901....
can't br her

The 1872 birth date, would make him the right age, for Ruth.....

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big_guy
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Re: Sharman/Prior
« Reply #16 on: Friday 12 October 07 13:24 UTC (UK) »
Hello ..

I followed the "George J." you mentioned and I'm sure he is the one mentioned in FreeBMd as deceased at the age of 28 in 1899.{ not positive though}
As for the marriage of Ruth in 1898 I'm sure she is the Ruth Elizabeth born in 1871 as I have followed that lead also.
I find it encouraging when you ask these questions as it might shed light on something I might have overlooked or send my mind into a different direction I never thought of.
I find that without a "marriage" it will be difficult to find the right "George" as there were so many of them and sometimes the "J" is missing in the records.


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Pennie
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Re: Sharman/Prior
« Reply #17 on: Friday 12 October 07 16:44 UTC (UK) »
Hi John ...

Please forgive me if I've missed something, but ... there is no mention of Ruth's maiden name on her death certificate, you have neither marriage certificate nor any of her children's birth certificates - so where does her maiden name of PRIOR come from???

Would just like to clarify this before continuing my search!

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Re: Sharman/Prior
« Reply #18 on: Friday 12 October 07 20:26 UTC (UK) »
Hi Pennie;

I got the name "Prior" from the FreeBMD when I searched for the son's. As you can see from JeannieR's post earlier.
I assumed this because the names .. Reginald N. and Francis V. were known to me as well as the name Thomas.
Frederick W was born in Wallingford also in 1917.
George A {who is on the death certificate} I've traced to a George Arthur L   born in Fulham in 1909.
I have searched that area also for any marriages of Ruth Prior or George Sharman and found none with my limited resources.
Do I have enough information to aquire a birth certificate for George A. Huh If not what else do I need?
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JeannieR
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Re: Sharman/Prior
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 13 October 07 11:50 UTC (UK) »
Hi Again......


This is the info you need to get George Jnr birth certificate.......

George Arthur L Sharman / June qtr 1909 /Fulham / volume 1a page 296

He was born March 10th 1909........

George Arthur L Sharman / age 96 / Sept 2005 / Mendip , Somerset


You can apply online at.......

www.gro.gov.uk

The birth certificate should give fathers name and occupation, and mothers maiden name.

Hope this helps

Jeannie
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big_guy
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Re: Sharman/Prior
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 14 October 07 16:10 UTC (UK) »
Good Morning;

Thank you for the info Jeannie . I will send for the certificate and hope it is the right one  ... maybe there will be some light shed on this .
What I didn't know was George A's death particulars  ... how does someone get that?
The last I knew he was in Dorchester (Oxon .. I believe) of course it might have been Dorset.
The way the towns /villiages are really confuses me .. lol
I'm trying to find Mendip on a map right now ... or even Somerset.
John
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Pennie
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Re: Sharman/Prior
« Reply #21 on: Monday 15 October 07 11:06 UTC (UK) »
Hi John ...

Mendip is a modern registration district (not an actual town/village).  I've had great trouble finding out anything about it, but this map may be of use (Mendip RD is just south of the Severn estuary)>

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/geography/downloads/regdist_2003.pdf

Getting hold of one of the birth certificates for a child of George and Ruth should give George's full name and his occupation, which may help to locate him on the 1901 census.

I also have't yet given up finding their marriage ... !

Pennie
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Re: Sharman/Prior
« Reply #22 on: Monday 15 October 07 13:15 UTC (UK) »
Good Morning Pennie
    Thank you for the map ... it's better than the one I was looking at. I found Mendip sandwiched in between North East Somerset and South Somerset. See what I mean by confusing .. one would think the Somerset's would be beside eachother .. lol
    I sent for George A's birth certificate hoping it is the right one and will tell me more about George J. and Ruth Prior.I believe he is their first born and might shed a lot of light on the subject .
    It will probably be a few weeks before I get that I surmise.


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Re: Sharman/Prior
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 30 October 07 13:50 UTC (UK) »
I received the certificate yesterday ... for George A. ... on it it says the father is George John and the mother is Ruth Prior ... so now another name change  Joseph <--> John.

It says that George J's occupation is "Engineers Fitter".

Well at least it confirms George A is their child and they "might" have been married.

Will I ever unravel this ??
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Re: Sharman/Prior
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 30 October 07 23:26 UTC (UK) »
Hi (again) John ...

Now knowing George's occupation, I had a look for any George (J.) SHARMANs, unmarried and born 1890 or before, on the 1901 census.  Of those which were old enough to have an occupation listed, these two could be possibles:

George SHARMAN, born c1867 in Stourbridge, Worcs. "Machinist Metal"
George A. SHARMAN, born c1885 in Litchfield (sic), Staffs. "Die Fitter Apprentice"

We really need to find George and Ruth's marriage ... !!!

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Re: Sharman/Prior
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 31 October 07 07:24 UTC (UK) »
Hi I have been following this one and racking my brains,  can I ask where and when Ruth died?  we know she was a widow it might be worth working back in that area for a burial/death of George Sharman which would give us his age and so a rough date of birth

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Re: Sharman/Prior
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 31 October 07 08:47 UTC (UK) »
Hi  again

I  thank you  for all the assistance.

   The certificate says: Ruth Sharman  .. widow  of George Joseph Sharman and that the informant was George A. Sharman . Registration District : Henley : County of Oxford. She died in 1952 at the age of 76 which would put her birth at 1876.

   I have found "George J. Sharman" in a  death record for Oct-Dec in 1948 in Wallingford so I am assuming it is him. The record say's age 69 so that puts his birth around 1879. I suppose if I obtained his death certificate I could validate this.

    During my research using the Freebmd Index , Ancestry.com , Rootsweb and the LDS sites I noticed that when I do a search for "George Sharman" that they don't always return the same results? Some have more listings while others have less ? Is there a reason for this?

   John

   



     
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DebbieG
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Re: Sharman/Prior
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 31 October 07 09:13 UTC (UK) »
Hi John

I think the differing numbers of results depend on various things the Free BMD index isn't complete (yet)  and different search engines will search either for exact spellings or close variants.

Coming banck to my previous question - is it possible to have the actual place mentioned on you grandmothers death certificate? - Henley is a registration district which covers several places in that area,  as is Wallingford,  If we new the village they lived in we might get lucky and get a clue from the church registers of that village - we might not as well,  but it would be worth a quick try

Debbie

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DebbieG
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Re: Sharman/Prior
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 31 October 07 09:20 UTC (UK) »
Ok - forget the previous,  I have found the burial entries from St Leonards church Wallingford

1948 7th December George Joseph Sharman aged 69 of 15 St Johns Road

1952 Feb 12th Ruth Sharman aged 76 of High Street, Crowmarsh

I wonder how long they lived in Wallingford,  they both seem to have been buried there - there may even be a stone

Debbie
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Re: Sharman/Prior
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 31 October 07 10:03 UTC (UK) »
Well they were there in 1917 from St Leonards Wallinghford

baptism

1917 Jul 1 Frederick William Sharman s/o George Joseph (farm lab) & Ruth of 3 St Leonards Lane

and George is George Joseph

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