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Pedro_the_Pom
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I'd like to throw my potential Andeans into the ring.
I have an Elizabeth Ann Dean born in Tregony, who married William Roberts in Gerrans in 1834, died in Treluggan, Gerrans in 1890. I couldn't find any likely Deans, so I'm guessing that she was really Elizabeth Andean.
Censuses have her birth from 1801 to 1812. I have her tentatively as Elizabeth Andean christened 1807 Gerrans, daughter of William and Mary Andean. William from Cuby with Tregony christened 1782 son of Henry and Catherine or 1783 son of Thomas and Priscilla. William married Mary Smyth of St Stephen in Brannel in that parish 1806. I have Elizabeth's siblings as Frances 1814 and Henry 1817 both in Cuby with Tregony.
I have asked this question of [CORNISH-GEN] and spoken to the Gerrans OPC Bill O'Reilly about it, he says that the marriage record definitely say Elizabeth Ann Dean, and I'm waiting on the LDS microfilm arriving at my local LDS History Centre to see for myself.
Anybody care to rip my theory to shreds?
Peter (a newbie on this list but not a total newbie to the game)
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Cornwall: Tregunna, Emmett, Quintrell, Roberts, May, Grieve, Leverton, Andrew, Andean
Kent: Relph, Ralph, Springett, Carr
Sussex: Relf
Wiltshire: Willis, Wilkins
Glamorgan: John, Jenkins, Thomas, Morgans, Macnamara
Manchester: Gorton, Plummer
Dorset: Frampton
Somerset: Down, Bowden
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chewiebeast
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Hi
I've come across this before - it is probably Andean. Its a case of the vicar was told her name was Elizabeth Andean and wrote it as Elizabeth Ann Dean - they never checked these things! I transcribe parish registers and am a colleague of Bill O'Reilly, being the OPC of Sithney, Porthleven, Constantine and Mawnan and can tell you from experience that you get these all the time!
Since William had a son Henry, I'd opt for him being the son of Henry & Catherine, so its worth getting in touch with the Cuby OPC, David Crocker, to get back further
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Damien
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Pedro_the_Pom
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Hi Damien
Just a small correction to my original, she was christened in Cuby with Tregony, not Gerrans.
Someone told me that the vicar was the one from Philliegh, not the local guy, which increases the risk of name confusion.
I will double-check my facts and then get onto David Crocker. I think that this is going to take a lot of 'ruling out as many people as possible' and then seeing who is left.
Thanks
Peter
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Cornwall: Tregunna, Emmett, Quintrell, Roberts, May, Grieve, Leverton, Andrew, Andean
Kent: Relph, Ralph, Springett, Carr
Sussex: Relf
Wiltshire: Willis, Wilkins
Glamorgan: John, Jenkins, Thomas, Morgans, Macnamara
Manchester: Gorton, Plummer
Dorset: Frampton
Somerset: Down, Bowden
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Hi Peter,
A big welcome to RootsChat and the Cornwall Board. 
I have had a good scout about and I can't spot another alternative. I like the sound of it.
I too see no Elizabeth Ann Dean. The name doesn't appear to be from the area. Easy to see this could happen. I wonder if she signed the register. I was a little concerned with Elizabeth being born in Gerrans, when she consistently states she was born in Tregony, but when I checked the IGI I note she was baptised in Tregony so all fits nicely. She certainly wasn't terribly helpful with the census as to her age, but like you I can only spot the daughter of William and Mary 1807. Hope seeing the original is helpful with a signature or witnesses. Good Luck........Kris 
PS: aha glad to see you are aware she was baptised in Tregony. A rector from "away" would be a good sign
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Pedro_the_Pom
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Hi Kris
Thanks for your welcome.
From the OPC transcription of her marriage she and William both marked and the witnesses are Arthur Thomas and William Menear, nothing informative like a Dean or Andean.
I did look into this situation a while ago and then moved on to other branches, but someone pointed me to Roots.Chat yesterday and the Endean thread was the first one I saw.
One general question, is it normal for threads to get jijacked or should I have changed the Subject line?
Peter
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Cornwall: Tregunna, Emmett, Quintrell, Roberts, May, Grieve, Leverton, Andrew, Andean
Kent: Relph, Ralph, Springett, Carr
Sussex: Relf
Wiltshire: Willis, Wilkins
Glamorgan: John, Jenkins, Thomas, Morgans, Macnamara
Manchester: Gorton, Plummer
Dorset: Frampton
Somerset: Down, Bowden
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krisesjoint
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Hi Peter,
Pity about the full entry. I was still looking about and just saw it. I am a bit behind the 8Ball.
The lady was consistant with a birth in Tregony and there are just no Deans in the area at that time, though many Andean's - that is until we get nearer the time of Elizabeth's marriage, where I found a burial of a child - Elizabeth DEAN aged 1+ on the 28 Mar 1833.  Wondered if it may have been suspicious, but on looking further I note a family is there in 1841 John born outside Cornwall, Ann and their children born Cornwall. 1851 they are in Veryan. John from Guernsey, Ann and the Children Tregony and Veryan. Wondering if the same rector had been dealing with this family, who were around Tregony since before the time of Elizabeth's marriage, he may have been easily swayed to Elizabeth Ann Dean. 
John DEAN = Ann ROWE 8 May 1831 Tregony
Changing the subject line would not help. We are an internet forum not a mailing list. We don't work the same way. It would still be a part of this thread. Generally we would advise to start a new thread. Damien's post was quite general so I am sure he didn't mind. You just wanted the opinion of others with an interest in the name, so a good way to initially attract their attention. I can easily split it off...............Kris
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Pedro_the_Pom
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Hi Kris
Thanks for giving this some of your time. I've just looked over the Online Census Project for the Deans you mentioned and I agree that they don't appear to be associated with Elizabeth ch.1807. As you say lots of Andeans and Endeans and Indains. Although there was a Dean couple in Truro.
I think that my next step is the Tregony OPC
If you're happy to leave this in the same Endean thread then so am I.
Cheers
Peter
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Cornwall: Tregunna, Emmett, Quintrell, Roberts, May, Grieve, Leverton, Andrew, Andean
Kent: Relph, Ralph, Springett, Carr
Sussex: Relf
Wiltshire: Willis, Wilkins
Glamorgan: John, Jenkins, Thomas, Morgans, Macnamara
Manchester: Gorton, Plummer
Dorset: Frampton
Somerset: Down, Bowden
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chewiebeast
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I think Kris has covered all the bases Peter 
The surname Dean doesn't occur much in Cornwall, but all those names you mention like Andean, Indain etc - its all the same family. It totally threw me initially that there are so many variations of this one name!
Next step is definitely the Tregony OPC, his transcripts will have been taken directly from copies of the originals, and he is a highly experienced genealogist, far more so than me. Then again, most OPC's are - they're all old, I'm only 29! heheheregards
Damien
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Pedro_the_Pom
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Thanks to you both.
I've emailed David and I'll get back to the forum if anything comes of it.
Cheers
Peter
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Cornwall: Tregunna, Emmett, Quintrell, Roberts, May, Grieve, Leverton, Andrew, Andean
Kent: Relph, Ralph, Springett, Carr
Sussex: Relf
Wiltshire: Willis, Wilkins
Glamorgan: John, Jenkins, Thomas, Morgans, Macnamara
Manchester: Gorton, Plummer
Dorset: Frampton
Somerset: Down, Bowden
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Aussie Webgoddess
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Hi Peter,
Here's a page on the origin & pronunciation of 'Endean/Andean/Indean' etc.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~endean/originend.html
"the stress is usually placed on the first syllable, but it is correctly placed on the second syllable. This results in the initial vowel being scarcely heard, giving the pronunciation 'n dane or 'n dean, accounting for the many variations in spelling."
Dianne
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Endean-CON, DEV, NBL
Hawke- CON
Rescorla, Coram, Doidge, Wilkinson - DEV
Turnbull, Smith, Pyle, Mitchell, Miller - NBL
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Pedro_the_Pom
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Hi Dianne
I was reading that just yesterday. The problem in my line is that the 'n may have got so quiet it disappeared altogether. If it was changing from An to En to In I wouldn't even notice it, but when it goes altogether it leaves a valid alternate surname, which leaves you not knowing if twere or twaint Andean in the first place.
Cheers
Peter
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Cornwall: Tregunna, Emmett, Quintrell, Roberts, May, Grieve, Leverton, Andrew, Andean
Kent: Relph, Ralph, Springett, Carr
Sussex: Relf
Wiltshire: Willis, Wilkins
Glamorgan: John, Jenkins, Thomas, Morgans, Macnamara
Manchester: Gorton, Plummer
Dorset: Frampton
Somerset: Down, Bowden
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