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Barry1936
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Rhos is/was a small hamlet just outside Llanferres, although the two have merged. It is on the Mold Ruthin main road on the Mold side of the village. I am fairly certain there is no farm there and I have researched all of the houses in the greater Llanferres area searching for my William's family homes in the 1800's. There was a Rhos Cottage on one side of the road and the National School on the other but not much else at that time. Where did you obtain the information that your g/grandfather was there? If you can give any more info I will see what I can find in my files. These two sites are good for early OS maps
http://www.british-history.ac.uk
http://www.old-maps.co.uk
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Hepburn - Clerkenwell, Islington, Limehouse, Grays Cowell - Stanford le Hope, Erith, Orsett, Grays Powell - Sheppey Kent, New Zealand Williams - Llanferres, Clwyd Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Barry1936
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Good morning again. Sorry patvp but I am at a loss. I had a look at the census image (if you do not have access to this I can e-mail you a copy) because the enumerator often worked sequentially and I thought that might give a clue to where the farm was geographically. Sadly it is plumb between the Schoolhouse and Rhos Cottage so that was no help, although it does narrow it down a little because Llanferres was divided into two districts for the census and Rhos Farm was in District 6 west of the river. The 1871 census lists Ross Farm (cottage) in which lived a lead mine clerk and Rhos (farm) in which lived a retired farmer. The 1891 census does not list Rhos Farm but does show Rhos Cottage in which lived a farmer so I am wondering if it was one building in 1882 and subsequently converted into a single dwelling. 1891 also lists a house called Upper Rhos in which also lived a farmer. Now the land rises sharply to the west behind Rhos up to Fron Hen and there are several houses along a lane so the other possibility is that Upper Rhos in 1891 was the Rhos Farm of 1881 and has since been renamed again - but the OS map does not show it! I do return to Llanferres a couple of times a year researching and next time I will have a good look for you and see if I can find any clues - but it might not be for a while as our winter weather is not conducive to driving a whole 250 miles!!!
I have never found any old photos in the Ruthin Records Office although the Druid did have a few on the wall but mainly the village. Incidentally, there are two pubs - not bad for a peak population of 800 people! The vestry also used to meet in the Druid!! If you want a 'today' photo I will do that next time I visit.
Barry
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Hepburn - Clerkenwell, Islington, Limehouse, Grays Cowell - Stanford le Hope, Erith, Orsett, Grays Powell - Sheppey Kent, New Zealand Williams - Llanferres, Clwyd Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Paul
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Hello Pat.
I looked up the baptisms of the two Mckay children born in Llanferres.
Feb 16 1879. Robert Duncan. S/O James & Jane Mckay. Abode, Nant Plymog.
Fathers Occ. Game Keeper.
Aug 7 1881. Margaret  ?. D/O. James & Jane Mckay. Abode, .
Fathers Occ. Game Keeper & Bailiff.
Margaret had a second name but I (we, I asked other people in the search room for their opinion) couldn't make it out.
Does Henderson ring any bells?
After all that I forgot to get their abode which might have helped Barry pin point them. I'm sure it wasn't Nant Plymog. I'll look for it next time.
Paul
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Barry1936
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That was a good piece of detective work Paul and probably throws most of what I said into doubt!!! Plymog is nowhere near Rhos, being at the opposite end of Llanferres (south) and much further out. (The Nant in Plymog refers to the stream - hope I am not doing the proverbial grandmother and eggs!). As rhos is Welsh for moor and as it is all moor on that side of the Ruthin-Mold road it could be that Rhos Farm isn't in the hamlet of Rhos at all? On the other hand, it was enumerated sequentially with The School House and Rhos Cottage in the census. I have also looked at the 1878 OS map and cannot find a Rhos Farm anywhere so I am drawn to the conclusion that Rhos Cottage and Rhos Farm were two dwellings in a single building - but then it is so easy to jump to the wrong conclusions in genealogy. Perhaps the missing abode for Margaret's baptism is key!.
Barry
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Paul
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Hello Pat, the Abode on Margaret's baptism is F or T ? ? Rhos Llanferres.
I think by now Barry you can see you're not doing the proverbial Grand FATHER and eggs 
Anything else let me know.
Paul.
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hiraeth
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Hello Pat
Here is a link to some pictures of Llanferres, including the Druid Inn and the School building referred to by Barry
http://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=1787618
Geograph is a wonderful resource for any of us researching from afar - pics & OS maps together - can't beat it!!
Heather
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukCARRINGTON, ROBERTS, WILLIAMS, FOULKES, WYNN, BLUNT, JONES Denbighshire. DAVIES, OWEN, JONES, WILLIAMS, THOMAS, EVANS, MORGAN, SOLOMAN, GRIFFITHS Caernarfonshire & Anglesey THATCHER, HILLIER, PARISH Surrey APPLETON, MALTHOUSE, GLOVER Hertfordshire MCDONALD & SOUPER Aberdeen c1800 |
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Martin Briscoe
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I have been looking into some friends' family and their ancestor, Joseph HARVEY was schoolmaster at Llanferres in 1851 until 1861 though he was not at home for the 1861 census (still trying to find him!).
He seems to have left there in the 1860s, unfortunately the log books for the boy's school are too fragile to view so only seen the girl's school log books.
Some of the Geograph pictures linked are mine.
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BRISCOE - Bolton, Heaton Norris, Rochdale, Oldham, Chadderton, Blackburn
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EVANS - Llanfihangel Bryn Pabuan, Maesmynis, Dowlais, Stockton on Tees, Hartlepool, Trealaw
HARVEY - Trentham, Sheriffhales, Llanfyllin, Llanferres, Minera
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Barry1936
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Hi Pat. Found!!! Rhos Cottage was the stables for the mines until the 1880's when it was bought by a family from Cheshire who still run it as a farm. Rhos Farm was/is Rhos Isa, on the opposite side of the road to Rhos Cottage. There is quite a long explanation which I have posted with some photos to your hotmail account. Could not resist posting here for the benefit of other listers, a delightful photo of Llanferres
Barry
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Hepburn - Clerkenwell, Islington, Limehouse, Grays Cowell - Stanford le Hope, Erith, Orsett, Grays Powell - Sheppey Kent, New Zealand Williams - Llanferres, Clwyd Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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we are starting to get HOT now and it will soon be time to turn on the air-conditioner LOL..
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