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Topic: Are You Sitting Comfortably Part 2 (Read 12860 times)
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liverpool annie
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Well I was hoping that the two threads "Are You Sitting Comfortably" and "Robert William Stead" would be stickied so they could be kept up at the top of the page ... and I'm sure they will be ! 
You all know the reason for the new thread ....... and I'm sorry if people are upset .... I thought locking it would give us a chance to catch up with the information we have and getting it into some semblence of order - we're going to be in the same boat .... but I realise that people want to be able to contribute !.... hence this new thread !!
Shaun J would be more than happy to give access rights to the website for those who are interested - as it would only make sense if we carry on updating it for new information
Annie
Moderator Comment:
we are trying to avoid too many stickies, but I'll sticky this post,
and add links to the other two
Topic: Are you sitting comfortably ? then I'll begin !!
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,206958.0.html
and
Topic: Robert William STEAD (1896 West Derby -1926 Gateacre)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,261805.0.html
which is a summary of the 44 pages here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,206958.0.html
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Reiver
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Annie
Is it possible to list/bring together what you think the line(s) is/are we ought to take now? Rootschatters could then volunteer their investigative skills / photographic skills / etc in different areas.
Obviously it would be nice to have photographs of members of the family but what about addresses? My photographic skills are somewhat linited but I coulld for example, direct someone - they may know already - to the Bucklow places already mentioned (Altrincham / Sale/Stretford).
I am trying to build on what has already been done on Robert's fathers family - Robert's uncles , aunts and cousins. Is that OK? Maybe someone else is already working on that side?
Obviously I'll report progress on here. Shaun may then be able to take it from here, and feed back any questions or input that he has.
I hope this makes sense. I'm sure you and others will let me know if not.
Reiver
PS Are stickies the same as smileys?
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Reiver
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Hi Annie and eveyone
Robert's father was William Harley Stead, born in Leicester in 1857. Much of this was started by Mary some time back. So I hope there are one or two new bits here.
William Harley's eldest sister Harriett was born in 1828/29. That is, she was 28 (twenty eight years older than William  In 1861 in Leicester William is 4 yrs old, no mother is present, but his father also William is aged 60 Earlier censuses throw up a mother Eliza and FreeBMD throws up the death of an Eliza Stead in 1858 - the year after William was born. In the earlier censuses father William was only a couple of years older than his wife Eliza. So son William was born in 1857 and his parents were 56 and 54
I'm trying to prove me wrong Can anyone else?
Mary had found that Harriett, William's eldest sister, had married a Richard Butterworth in 1851. They had several children, one at least married. All would be first cousind of Robert.
I'll keep going.
Reiver
PS If anyone does fancy checking on the above note that Stead or Steads seem almostt interchangeable
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liverpool annie
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There is now a Summary here .....
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,261805.0.html
I'll try and catch up with the days results in the evenings .........
check there often for the next exciting installment !! 
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« Last Edit: Wednesday 17 October 07 05:46 BST (UK) by liverpool annie »
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Reiver
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Thanks Shaun
Re William Harley Stead (Robert's father)
In 1861 he wsa 4 years old. His father (William) was 60 and his mother (Eliza) would have been 58. It would seem that William Harley could NOT have been their son. The sequence on the 1861 census in Leicester was William (father) 60; Fanny Maria (23); William Harley (4) and Angela (18). It seems probable - at this stage - that William Harley was the illegitimate son of Fanny (purely based on census sequence).
It may be worth getting the Birth Cerificate in due course to prove it.
So no brothers and sisters of William Harley Stead from whom to come forward. BUT Fanny Maria and Angela, although they did remain single, did have older siblings. There is some dara about this that MaryA established that is now on the Data Site that ShaunJ has created and which you can access if you PM him for the password.
Regards
Reiver
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Reiver
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Hi All
Was William Harley really a nephew? To whom?
1871
Liverpool RG10/3756 F 118 P 1
Jno Thos Jarvis H 30 Shipping Clerk Oadby
Betty Jarvis W 38 Leicester
Jno Wm Jarvis S 10 Scholar Oadby
Alice Jarvis D 9 -do- Oadby
Wm Harley Stead Nephew 14 Sailor Leicester
The county in each case is Leicestershire
Regards
Reiver
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AMBLY
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Hi Reiver
Just PM'd you details! Will just quickly summarise here for everyone since I've already looked it up!
Betsy JARVIS was nee STEADS, I believe - she was the sister named Elizabeth in 1841 and 1851 that you mention.
Marriage: Jun Qtr 1860 - Blaby District, Leicestershire
John Thomas JARVIS and Betsy STEADS
In 1891, Anglea STEAD is visioing this same JARVIS family
The son, John William JARVIS never marrried, at least not up to 1901.
The daughter Alice JARVIS married John TITTERINGTON in West Derby 1887.
They had 2 children, John Bertram TITTERINGTON and Dorothy May TITTETRINGTON
Cheers
AMBLY
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AMBLY
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1861: Oadby, Leicestershire
Ref: RG9 /P 2255 / F 85 / Pg 9
Address: Meeting Lane
Head: Priscilla JARVIS 54, Wid, Farmer 41 acres, employing 1 man, b Hungwiton, Leic.
Dau: Mariah JARVIS 17, unm, b Oadby Leic.
Son: John T JARVIS 20, marr, Farmers Son, b Oadby Leic
Dau in Law: Betsy JARVIS marr, Farmers Wife, b Leicester, Leic.
Grandson: John W JARVIS 6 mhs, b Oadby Leic.
Lodger: Lydia R BLACKWELL 10, Scholar, b Leicester, Leic.
Visitor: Sarah SMITH 10, Scholar, b Leicester, Leic.
Servant: Richard SMITH 65, unm, Carter, b Thurmaston Leic.
1871: Liverpool St Matthews, (Scotland Ward) , Lancashire
Ref: RG10 / P 3756 / F 118 / pg 1
Address: 4 Wilbraham Street
Head: John Thos JARVIS 30, Shipping Clerk, b Oadby, Leic.
Wife: Besty JARVIS 38, b Leicester, Leic.
Son: John Wm, JARVIS 10, b Oadby, Leic.
Dau: Alice JARVIS 9, b Oadby, Leic.
Nephew: Wm Harley STEAD 14, Sailor, b Leicester, Leic.
So - if William Harley STEAD is their truly Nephew , then William's mother is a sibling of Betsy.....and Besty is the sister of Harriet, Fanny and Angela.......
1881: Liverpool, Lancashire
Ref: RG11 / P 3593; F 128; Pg 106
Address: 24 Virgil Street
Head: John Tho. JARVIS 40, Shipping Clerk, b Oadby, Leic.
Wife: Betsy JARVIS 48, b St Margaret, Leic
Dau: Alice JARVIS 19, unm, b Oadby, Leic.
Lodger: Thomas H....son JUDD or DODD? 29, unm, Engine Fitter, Ayrshire Scotland
1891: Rowley Park, Castle Church, West Staffordshire
Ref: RG12; P 2138; F 95; Pg 17
Address: 2 Tixall Villas
Head: John T JARVIS 50, Shipping Clerk, b Oadby, Leic.
Wife: Betsy JARVIS 59, b Oadby, Leic.
Son: John W JARVIS 30, unm, Organising Visitors of Church Schools, b Oadby, Leic.
Visitor: Angela STEAD 48, School Mistress, b Leicester, Leic.
The 1891 visitor, is actually Betsy's sister?
Believe John Thomas JARVIS may have died very shortly after the 1891 Census, Jun Qtr 1891 Stafford, age 51
Believe Betsy JARVIS may have died, Dec Qtr 1899 Ormskirk (this was the Registration district which covered Formby - she may have gone to live with her daughter Alice after JT died).
The son John William JARVIS appears to have not married as late as 1901 age 40, where he is in Chelsea, as a Schools Head Master .
Believe the JARVIS daughter Alice, married :
Dec Qtr 1887 West Derby - Alice JARVIS & John TITTERINGTON
1891: Great Crosby, Lancashire
Ref: RG12; P 2983; F 87; PPg 47
Address: 8 Cambridge Court (near Millions COurt!)
Head: John TITTERINGTON 29, Schoolmaster, b Liverpool Lancs
Wife: Alice TITTERINGTON 29, b Oadby Leic.
Son: John B TITTERINGTON 2, b Liverpool Lancs
Servant: Jane HUNTER 25, unm, General Domestic Servant, b b Liverpool Lancs
1901: Formby, Lancashire
Ref: RG13; P 3532; F 77; Pg 1.
Address: Old Town Lane
Head: John TITTERINGTON 39, School Master & Science Teacher, b
Wife: Alice TITTERINGTON 39, b Oadby, Leic.
Dau: Dorothy May TITTERINGTON 7, b Formby, Lancashire
Servant: Elizabreth GALLIGAN 20, unm, General Domestic Servant, b Derby, Derbyshire
The son, John Bertram TITTERINGTON, is I think at school in Staffs in 1901
cheers
AMBLY
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Reiver
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Brilliant AMBLY
I was just struggling with her.
Next for Joseph I'll concentrate on Harriett - unless anybody else is already?
Reiver
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Reiver
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Can I have some help please?
A street that is/was in Kirkdale,Liverpool in 1881.
Reads like Pelops or Peloss Street.
Enumerator did it after Ajax Street.
Reiver
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