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CitizenSmith
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Re: Logan Lee
« Reply #15 on: Friday 18 January 08 17:27 UTC (UK) »
Many thanks for your help - it's really appreciated. And a good excuse for a trip to Edinburgh!

Sharon
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Smith - East Anglia & Lancashire
Taylor - East Anglia
Draper
Hope
Shaw
Gray
Boswell
Lovell
Robinson
Chilcott
All Blackpool Gypsies
"Royal Epping Forest Gypsies": ball-giving group
aa1webb
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Re: Logan Lee
« Reply #16 on: Monday 21 January 08 11:55 UTC (UK) »
hello all,
have been reading your ''chat'' with interest and have recognised many of the names that you are all mentioning.
i have a rhoda heron who married clark boswell and their son levi who married a mary ann lee, daughter of charles lee & union chilcott. i also have the brothers,  elijah, sam, hirum and joiner buckley and their wives (seni smith & elizabeth smith) in my tree.
what i never knew was that they were in scotland. this has been very interesting. i will keep on with my search with some of the new names i found through your chat, many thanks. kushti bok
amanda
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Re: Logan Lee
« Reply #17 on: Monday 21 January 08 12:57 UTC (UK) »
Hi Amanda

You should also look at Cheshire and Lancashire for East Anglian Lees as some were members of the Blackpool community.

Also Union Lee/Chilcott is commemorated on a monument in Flaybrick Cemetery, Birkenhead, with her mother Ruth Chilcott and her brother Charles. This is the same cemetery where Logan Lee's grandmother Elizabeth is buried.

These Lees, Chilcotts and Smiths were associated with the "Royal Epping Forest Gypsies" who travelled England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland and the Isle of Man in the 1860s and 1870s and held dances that were open to the public, as well as putting their encampment on exhibition. I've a special interest in them and pleased to share info.

Sharon
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aa1webb
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Re: Logan Lee
« Reply #18 on: Monday 21 January 08 15:08 UTC (UK) »
afternoon, citizensmith,
thanks for the reply. i always knew i was from royalty. just a hunch. Wink

all the names you have mention are definately in my ancestoral line. how interesting. i think i will have to look at the book i believe you mentioned on previous chat.

do you have much info on them then and is there a special interest for a reason??
amanda
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Re: Logan Lee
« Reply #19 on: Monday 21 January 08 18:21 UTC (UK) »
George (aka Lazzy) Smith - who was one of the leaders of this ball-giving group - was a cousin to my 2xgreat-grandmother Lementeni Smith. He was a son of Elizabeth Smith, the grandmother of Logan Lee. So they're all very much family.

My Smiths travelled with the Chilcotts, Lees, Boswells and Youngs/Herons in East Anglia who made up this group so I always collect references to them. Happy to share my info.

Sharon
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Re: Logan Lee
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 24 January 08 12:28 UTC (UK) »
Probably a longshot, but don't suppose anyone would know if a family with parents John Lee and Mary Langhorn (?sp), who apparently moved from England to in or around Bothwell parish (possibly Thankerton, Holytown) and had children there in 1850's or 1860's, are linked in anyway to the Lees mentioned on this thread.

CitizenSmith, the Bellahill (?), in one of your posts above will have been Bellshill.
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STEWART, Lanarkshire, Scotland and Fermanagh/Monaghan border areas, Ireland             
LILLEY, County Antrim, Ireland (now NI).
HENDERSON,Lanarkshire,Scotland and probably  County Londonderry, Ireland (now NI).
CAPE Cumberland, England & Lanarkshire, Scotland
SCOTT Cumberland, England & Lanarkshire, Scotland
CitizenSmith
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Re: Logan Lee
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 24 January 08 13:37 UTC (UK) »
Don't think I can help with your John Lee. As far as I know, the only John Lee in my group was the husband of Leviathan and father of Logan and Nathan - and he only had one wife.

Sharon
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aa1webb
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Re: Logan Lee
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 26 January 08 12:34 UTC (UK) »
hi all,
i think in reply to leeboy, that we should all go visit him to see all these photos of these ancestors. i wish i lived next door to him Grin
theres nothing like a photo, is there!
amanda
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Re: Logan Lee
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 01 November 09 12:48 UTC (UK) »
Hi Dipsys Dad

With a bit of detective work, I've at last managed to find the answer to your original question.

Logan Lee died in Ireland, where his death certificate describes him as the 12-year-old 'child of a Gipsy'.

His cause of death was scrofula which he had suffered for 5 years. I understand this is a form of TB affecting the lymphatic glands, mainly in children.

Best wishes
Sharon 
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"Royal Epping Forest Gypsies": ball-giving group
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Re: Logan Lee
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 01 November 09 16:18 UTC (UK) »
Thanks for finding this out. I am absolutely delighted to finally find out what happened to Logan. Only thing is, if he died in Ireland, how on earth did he end up in Cathcart?
Again, many thanks.
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CitizenSmith
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Re: Logan Lee
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 01 November 09 16:31 UTC (UK) »
Hi

I've been puzzling over this myself. It was an extraordinarily long way to convey a body at that period - and why they chose Cathcart is another mystery.

I shall do a little more delving. Perhaps Logan was in fact buried in Ireland but the monument to him was raised in Scotland? Not sure if you can do that without stating on the memorial that the body is in fact elsewhere.

Best wishes
Sharon
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Taylor - East Anglia
Draper
Hope
Shaw
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Boswell
Lovell
Robinson
Chilcott
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"Royal Epping Forest Gypsies": ball-giving group
dipsys dad
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Re: Logan Lee
« Reply #26 on: Monday 02 November 09 13:32 UTC (UK) »
Puzzler, isn't it? The inscription on the stone states clearly that he is under it.
The other side gives his grandmother's (Elizabeth Smith) details, but no reference to her burial site.
There is, however, another Gipsy buried in the kirkyard namely one Joseph Cooper. Might it be a relative or similar?
Thanks again,
John C.
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Re: Logan Lee
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 17:45 UTC (UK) »
My Grans father was a James Lee and was def a romany gypsy as we have a pic of him with a monkey lol but wonder if any connection I only know he died 17/08/1966 @ 64yr old I cant find any details on him I know he lived in Maryhill.
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