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Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
« Reply #30 on: Monday 29 September 08 07:34 UTC (UK) »

Ok
Donovan!

I found Robert & Jean, and there is a James in the home. I'm not going to transcribe the two pages I paid for this time, because the writing is a bit harder to read.

I will post the list of all the records returned on my search, in case that helps others. Then I will transcribe the household of Robert Mowat (only).

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I have found an effective way to search, using:
"mouat"; Use Soundex: On;
-seems to cover all the spellings of Mowat, while not including surnames like Mathew.

Anyway, here is Roberts family

Living in Bervie, placename is Fishers Gate

Robt Mowat (Mouat) - 35 Ag Lab
Jean - 30
Jean (looks like Jr) - 14 (looks like flax spnr)
James - 11
Ann - 8
Robt - 4
May - 2
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I would like to remind every one that the census was to record who ever slept in the home the nite of 6 June 1841.
People ages 0-15 had their ages recorded. People over 15 had their ages rounded down to the nearest 5.

Therefore, Robert is supposed to be 39, he has been recorded as 35.

Perhaps the Andrew in the last post is the son of Robert, maybe he just slept over at family's home that night.

Anyone wants the image, email me
I will send.

Tammy
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Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
« Reply #31 on: Monday 29 September 08 11:11 UTC (UK) »

Hello;

Re: Isabella Mowat > I have George Grieve (1731-1809) married Rebecca Malcolm (1737-1833) who had Isabella Grieve (1777-1861).  She married John Mowatt Jan, 12, 1801 in Bervie.  Is this the Isabella you refer to?

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Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
« Reply #32 on: Monday 29 September 08 12:12 UTC (UK) »

Hallo Donovan and others.
Having a spare credit for ScotlandsPeople I downloaded the marriage certificate of James Mowatt and his second wife, Charlotte Freeman.  It confirms that his parents were Robert Mowatt and Jane Gordon.

Statutory Marriages 312/00  0033
James Mowatt, Journeyman Baker aged 48, usual residence 1 Queen St. Montrose married at 8 Reform Street, Montrose on 6 Mar 1879 to Charlotte Freeman, domestic servant aged 35, usual residence 10 Reform Street, Montrose.  His parents: Robert Mowatt, ploughman (deceased) and Jane Gordon (deceased).  Her parents:
Mother - Jane Freeman, domestic servant ( father's name not given).
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Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 12 October 08 09:09 UTC (UK) »

Hi All
Thank you for confirming this for me. I can now confidently add an entire branch to the family tree.

I am now on another mission. Something has intrigued me for a while. James Mowatt 1733 had three brothers - William 1732, John 1738 and George 1740.

The story is that the press gang came during the seven years war and took three of the brothers. James was spared as he was cripple. He then moved to the village of Gourdon.
I see from posts and websites that William eventually settled in Fetteresso. But I havent been able to find any further info on the other two brothers.

Does anyone know what happened to them?

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Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
« Reply #34 on: Friday 14 November 08 10:23 UTC (UK) »

Hi All,
I have a Mowat connection with a Margaret MOWAT marr.James Mearns MCBAY,Bervie,Kinc.c1919.
James died 1928 aged 38,due to a RNLI lifeboat overturnig in a harbour after a rescue.I believe James was born in the parish of Benholm and is my 3c2r.I do not have any further information on Margaret.
Does anyone recognise this family.
Many thanks Wink
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Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
« Reply #35 on: Friday 14 November 08 21:53 UTC (UK) »

Hi Foggyman.  Although I have no connection to your McBay/Mowatt family I know James McBay's son. James also had at least one more child.  You may know this already but in any case here is the descent of this family of McBays:

James McBay
m. 1770 St Cyrus, Margaret Blews.

Alexander McBay 1769-1855
m. 1802 St Cyrus, Christian Ritchie.
He was a sailor & fisherman born Milton, St Cyrus and spent 16 years in Johnshaven.

Edward McBay 1804-1848
m. 1827 St Cyrus, Isobel Mearns.

John Mearns McBay 1828-1897
m. 1) Ann Davidson
     2) Elizabeth Pert

Logie McBay 1850-1933
m. 1874, Agnes Donaldson

James McBay 1882
m. Margaret Mowatt

1 daughter &1 son (the latter still alive).

I hope this is of some help.  If you give me a little more time I'll try and trace Margaret Mowatt's forebears.
I have now found that  Margaret Criggie Mowatt's first husband (m. 4 Nov 1910 at Mowatt's Lane, Gourdon) was David Gibb, a fisherman living at Mid St. Johnshaven.  Her second husband (m. 1919 Bervie) was James D. McBay, a widower living at Fore St. Johnshaven. Margaret was born about 1884 and died in 1970.  Her parents were Munro Mowatt who married Margaret Smith.  According to Margaret Criggie Mowatt's birth certificate they married at Arbroath on 4 Oct 1876.  I could not trace the marriage and also was unable to trace Munro's birth.

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Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
« Reply #36 on: Friday 14 November 08 21:59 UTC (UK) »

Corrrrr Isles,  You are brilliant.  Have been watching this posting as I have a McRobb marrying a McBey.  You certainly are a font of knowledge Smiley

Regards,
Lynda
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Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
« Reply #37 on: Friday 14 November 08 23:04 UTC (UK) »

Spare my blushes Lynda.  I'll now have to visit the local draper's shop and buy a larger cap.  Grin Grin

Regards,
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Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
« Reply #38 on: Saturday 15 November 08 10:57 UTC (UK) »

Hi Isles,
Thank you very much for the information on James D. I was looking at James Mearns and you have put me on the right track, I am fascinated by my mother,s family line in Scotland and have been to Scotland several times prior to knowing my family connections and I always felt that I belonged there in a strange way. I live near the River Thames in Surrey and have a great affection for water and support the RNLI. I now think I know the meaning of "its in your genes"
Thank you for your time and effort in helping me it is greatly appreciated.  Wink Wink Wink
Regards
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Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
« Reply #39 on: Saturday 15 November 08 11:06 UTC (UK) »

Hi Lynda,
I have several McBay/Bey brickwalls and am interested in all connections for the line in Kincardine for the period 1800/1900 and will be very grateful for any information you have on your McBay/Bey. Wink
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Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
« Reply #40 on: Saturday 15 November 08 11:28 UTC (UK) »

Hi Isles,
I forgot to mention I have the direct McBayBey line  of my ancestors,but because there are so many children involved I am trying to fill in the Aunts/Uncles ets.
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Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
« Reply #41 on: Saturday 15 November 08 12:35 UTC (UK) »

Hi Foggyman.  I now have the details of your Mowatt line (spelled Mouat in the earlier generations).

John Mouat  married 12 Jan 1801 Bervie, Isabel Grieve.

John Mouat  b. 13 Sep 1816 Bervie. Married 21 Oct 1849 Bervie, Helen Aberdeen. He died 16 May 1894.

Munro Mowatt b. about 1849. Married 4 Oct 1876 Arbroath, Margaret Smith. He died 2 Feb 1924 at Mowatt's Lane, Gourdon aged 75.

Margaret Criggie Mowatt b. 1884 Bervie.

You mentioned that you were trying to find the siblings of your McBay family. There are so many that if you send me your email address by private message I can then scan them and send the results.  Only if you want to do this of course.

Regards.
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Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
« Reply #42 on: Saturday 15 November 08 13:45 UTC (UK) »

Hi Isles,
Yes I am very interested in your very kind offer and will come back to you in the next day or so
Regards
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Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
« Reply #43 on: Saturday 15 November 08 14:09 UTC (UK) »

Hi Foggyman,

My McBay/beys are from Marnoch in Aberdeenshire.  They are  Mgt McRobb married James Findlater.  Their daughter Helen Findlater married Robert McBey dob 6.12.1842.  Robert was a postie and died in 1921 at High Stree, Hampshire.  They had a son Rober born in Marnoch in 1870.  He was a farmer and seems to have died in 1905.  Not done a lot on this am afraid, but may help you....

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Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
« Reply #44 on: Saturday 15 November 08 15:28 UTC (UK) »

Hi Lynda,
I do not know if your McBey's from Aberdeen are part of my line.I have been given information that my line was first mentioned up in Banff a village called Findochty and came down to Miltonhaven St.Cyrus c1769.Miltonhaven was devastated by a storm c1795 and approx 80 houses on the shoreline were destroyed during the night and the survivors trekked up to Johnshaven and then started to migrate into NE England with my line down in London. For some reason it looks like they bypassed Aberdeenshire.
Thanks for the information,I feel sure that all the McBay/McBey's are related but with the highland clearances and the clan wars they moved to and from Northern Ireland and lost their indentities with other lines of the family. Embarrassed
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