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Topic: 1841 / 1851 / 1861 ~ GLOUCESTER ~ look up please (Read 2779 times)
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Lucy2
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Hello
Would be most grateful if someone could help me with 1841 / 1851 / 1861 Gloucester look ups please ?
Seeking: John RICHINGS - born Bristol - circa 1839
~ his father was (also) John RICHINGS, occupation, butcher, mother's name unknown. (Possibly too, a sibling named "Thomas" ? )
[RICHINGS is the surname I have on death cert. but there are seemingly other spellings - "Richins" / "Richens" / "Ritchings" ]
Many thanks
Lu 
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Cazay
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Hi Lu
I have found a John Richings in 1841 with parents John (Butcher) and Mary but they are living in Wotton under Edge Gloucestershire. John is not with them in 1851, he is at school.
Can't see a Thomas as sibling and do you know if John was definitely born in Bristol?
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Cazay
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Wotton Under Edge looks to be about 37km from Bristol, not that far in our terms.
I will post the details if you think this family could be a match
Cazay
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukEssex; Livermore, Barker Norfolk; Wood, Lack, Spurgeon, Long Wiltshire; Ricketts, Sealey, Dew Lincs; Drage Cumberland; McNicol, Bowman Lancashire; Brogden, Davis |
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Lucy2
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Hi Cazay
Many thanks. The 1841 info looks promising.
Best (and only) information I have on John (b.1839), comes from his New Zealand death certificate (1898) ~ "Born Bristol". [An inquest into his accidental death, describes him as a "native of Gloucestershire" as does cemetery info. As I "read it", the place "Bristol" at various times in its history, came under the administration of both Gloucestershire and Somerset .... Gloucester seemed my likely starting place].
On IGI, have just found this marriage - John RICHINGS - Mary COOK - 20 April 1838 - Wotton Under Edge, Gloucester - possibly the 1841 people ?
The "Thomas - sibling", I "popped into this search" as the name features strongly amongst decendants ~ and John (1839), a creature of some mystery, seems to have at times, used the name "Thomas" in place of his apparent given name of John ?
John's death cert. gives "Years in NZ - 28" - (arrival circa 1870 - and I'm guessing possibly via Australia (VIC) ). At age approx. 22 in 1861 he's probably not going to show up in UK census ?
Yes, please, would very much welcome all the information you've been able to find.
Grateful thanks again.
Lu
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Cazay
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Some of our ancestors don't leave the obvious trails and it is only the gathering of as much information as possible that we try to place them in our trees.
I will post the 1841 and 1851 details and in time you may be able to definitely say that they are the right family.
1841, Long Street Wotton Under Edge Gloucestershire - Reg District Dursley
H0107/348 f26 p5
John Richings 24 Butcher
Mary 19
John 2
Samuel 8 mths (all born in county)
Mary's age looks to be 19 on the image
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Cazay
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1851, Woodmancote (The Agricultural and Commercial Foundation School), Dursley Gloucestershire
H0107/1958 f378 p4
John Richings 11 Wotton Gloucestershire Schoolboy
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Cazay
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1851, Long Street Wotton Under Edge Gloucestershire
H0107/1958 f121 p22
John Richings 33 Wotton under Edge Butcher
Mary 29 "
Samuel 10 " Scholar
William 9 " "
Elizabeth 7 " "
Richard 5 "
Morris 3 "
Mary 1 "
Harriett Hunt 18 " House Servant
Emma Webb 15 " "
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Cazay
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Lu, this John Richings is in the 1861 census
Looks like wife Sarah with him, does this fit your John?
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Cazay
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1861 Long Street Wotton under Edge Gloucestershire
RG9/1750 f23 p7
John Blizzard 46 Wotton under Edge Butcher (Master employing 1 man)
Esther 47 "
Jane 19 "
John 16 " Assistant Butcher
Esther 11 " Scholar
Emily Evans 14 Tresham Gloucestershire House servant
John Richings Visitor 21 Wotton under Edge Butcher
Sarah A Richings 18 Visitor " Butchers wife
1871, Orchard Street Wotton under Edge Gloucestershire
RG10/2591 f21 p3
Sarah Ann Richings 28 (husband left 7 years) Wotton under Edge School Mistress
Elizabeth Jane 9 dau Thornbury Gloucestershire Scholar
Harriet Howell 14 Winterbourne Gloucestershire Domestic servant
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Lucy2
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Hi Cazay
WOW ! Thank you so very much.
At first I was a little sceptical .... the names didn't make a lot of sense. Then, the "agricultural school" sounded a real possibility. But you were SO CLEVER to have found the poor deserted wife and child ... and yes, it makes an awful lot of sense !
I feel pretty sure this is the John RICHINGS I'm after. "His" death cert. shows "NO marriages" ~ probably not unusual ? The wife and child left behind in Gloucester, probably accounts for him not "marrying" the mother of his New Zealand-born children and might also explain why the childrens' births were not registered.
A brilliant effort Cazay ... and thanks again.
Kind regards
Lu
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Lucy2
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Hi Chas
Many thanks for those links ... I'll certainly try them.
Kind regards
Lu
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JAP
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I've been following Lu's original thread on this family at:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,259529
This development is absolutely fascinating
Cazay, Brilliant work!
Lots of the people/events mentioned can be traced on FreeBMD.
Wotton under Edge, incidentally, is in the Dursley registration district.
The birthplace of 'Bristol' as given on John's death cert is not a problem - it was very common for birthplaces in the Antipodes to be rendered as the nearest big town which the Registrar had heard of!
John RICHINGS m Sarah Ann BLIZARD, Dursley, Mar q 1860
Elizabeth Jane RICHINGS, birth, Thornbury, Sep q 1861
?Also a John Blizard RICHINGS, birth, Thornbury, Mar q 1864
Sarah Ann re-married, Dursley, Jun q 1875 to William Henry ARMITAGE (she is listed as Sarah Ann BLIZARD and as Sarah Ann RICHINGS) and had several children.
(Presumably first husband John had effectively been declared dead once he'd been gone for over 7 years.)
The ARMITAGE family is in the 1881 census (on FamilySearch) in Wotton under Edge. William was the Manager of an Elastic Works; stepdaughter Elizabeth Jane was working as his Assistant. Children of William & Sarah at that stage were Edith A 5, Amy E 3, and Florence R 1.
Lu, It was fortunate that you found that LDS submission re the marriage of John RICHINGS & Mary COOK. I can't find it on FreeBMD - perhaps because it was early days for statutory registration and people hadn't really become used to registration.
However, appropriate births in Dursley for children of John snr & Mary (as mentioned in the censuses) can all be found on FreeBMD.
Extracted records in the online IGI for Wotton under Edge finish early unfortunately (as can be seen from the Hugh Wallis site). And those records seem to reflect all the Wotton-under-Edge filmed records held by the LDS (from the Library catalogue on FamilySearch).
The LDS submission looks reliable with its precise date - and precise dates are provided throughout that LDS batch.
Incidentally, a brother of your John (from the 1851 census) was Morris RICHINGS - on FreeBMD as Mau___ ). A search for RICHINGS in Gloucestershire on A2A at:
http://www.a2a.org.uk/
finds (Ref D4890/4/17, date 1881):
Sale notice, stock-in-trade, furniture and effects of Maurice Richings, Wotton-under-Edge, nurseryman and grocer, bankrupt
Cheers,
JAP
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Cazay
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Lu
More information here on your Richings family
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/
John Richings daughter's married name was Jotcham and there is also mention of John Blizard Richings (DOUBLE BARRELL SURNAME)
If you would like any other census details just ask
I read the whole 5 pages on the Australia board......  A lot to take in at first but you have made great progress and now have a new family line to pursue in England.
You must be having a lot of late nights lately 
At least John was honest enough to keep his original surname and now you know why he was sometimes Thomas and sometimes John............trying to cover his tracks after running off and leaving his wife and child/children.
I hope, after all this that you find his arrival details...........you certainly deserve it, after all the runaround.
Cazay
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