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Topic: 1841 / 1851 / 1861 ~ GLOUCESTER ~ look up please (Read 2735 times)
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tropicalj
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Hello there Ishtat and welcome to rootschat!
Now how exciting for Lucy to get so much more information on John Richings!!
having travelled down the path of history with her via rootschat I am very excited to find out about his background.
kind thoughts Jenn
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Lucy2
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Hi All
I'm here ! I'm here !
Have just picked myself up, off the floor ! 
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Later Edit : Thanks Osprey and Jenn ... yes, how exciting is this new info ?  (Sorry, I was in a tizz - earlier).
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Lucy2
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Hi ishtat
.... and from me ... a huge Welcome to RootsChat !
(Yes, you have done a splendid job, with your first posting to this board) !
Thank you so much for sharing all this amazing information.
I'm utterly blown away ... never, ever, did I imagine that there might be "more to be had" on the life of John RICHINGS ?
Of course, I too, am his g-g-grand-daughter (through Lily, one of two New Zealand-born children, he had with Annie HEASMAN (MORININI).
But, I expect you will have already read through the (very long) thread on the Australian board, and gleaned something of the "antics" of John (alias "Thomas") ?
Quite a tale it is, too. 
None of this "story" though would have been possible, without the brilliant and truly generous help, of fellow RootsChatters - a number of whom went above and beyond the call of "duty".  I'm (still) in awe of all the wonderful contributions which have been made by so many.
So, there WAS a DIVORCE ! Wow ! (Speculation had been, that John simply "turkeyed" off (deserted) ... and that Sarah Ann had had him declared as deceased after 7 years, enabling her to re-marry) ? But she went to that effort - of divorcing him - and what's more, it's all documented ! Wow (again) ! Divorce would have been a fairly rare occurrence back then, I'm thinking ? (Seems he might have had a penchant for for dames named "Amelia" ? Annie HEASMAN was officially - "Ann Amelia") 
How wonderful that your Mum has been able to provide some RICHINGS family history for you ... and photos of the family members are such a "bonus". Lucky you.
[I only discovered the RICHINGS name on a marriage certificate ... and it would seem only a handful of persons of that surname, ever ventured to New Zealand. From our family, the only other who made these shores, was William (Will) the son of Samuel (John's brother). ]
Obviously, I'd love to know a little more about this divorce - but only of course, if you are happy to share that information. (I'd be pleased even if you could just supply me with a reference number, so I could obtain my own copy).
So grateful that you decided to contribute to this RICHINGS thread ... and as you can see, you've made more than just one person happy !
Look forward to hearing from you again.
Kind regards
Lu
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trish1120
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WA HOO Lu 
What a saga  When is the book/movie coming out
So pleased for you
Trish
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Lucy2
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Hi JAP
Absolutely ... fantastic news, isn't it ! Who would have thought .... ?
Yes, I'm truly "blown away".
Many thanks for the Archives link.
Hmmm ... "Sarah Jane" (rather than "Sarah Ann") ? For my part, I'd never entertained the thought, that there might have been an "actual" divorce ? And well done "ishtat", for finding it !
Whilst I'm obviously over the moon - the very best part is to still be sharing in the new developments, with those of you who have made such fantastic contributions to the Richings/Heasman search.
Lu
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Lucy2
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Hi Trish
Beaut ... huh ? Thanks.
Hmmm ... the book? Seems it's sort of "writing its self" ... right here ?
What's probably needed now, is a good Aussie bookmaker.
A bit of punting on whether this "story".... will ever end ?
Cheers
Lu
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ishtat
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I found my copy of the divorce papers for John Richings/Sarah Ann Armitage formerly Richings nee Blizard this afternoon and realised I had made a mistake in calling the coffee shop adulterer Amelia Underhill . Her name was in fact Isabella.
Looking quickly through my files I believe that I probably have a fair bit of information and documents, birth, marriage certs, coroners reports etc. you may not have. Nothing earth shattering but it will fill in a few gaps. However, I am going away for a few days and will not be back in Sydney until after the weekend; I will then look through to see what might be useful.
I have lived in Sydney for 32 years but am very familiar with the WUE family as I often visited there as a child and have recently spent 2 years in UK at Berkeley and Uley, both about 7miles from WUE..
My Aunt Nora 1915 to 2000 kept a diary in which amongst other things she wrote down comments about various relatives which she had been told by such people as John Richings sister and Sarah Ann herself who didn't die until 1926. I cannot give you a copy of that because some of it is very personal but I can quote from it some of the thoughts of Sarah Ann about her first husband.
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cello
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Hi Lucy and Ishtat
Well this just gets more interesting by the day - I wish I had found Rootschat in 2007 when you started this post as I could have sent you some of the information then from research I did in 2004.
Do either of you have anything on John Richings (senior) born 1817. I have been trying to follow this John backwards for some time. His parents were John Richings (born approx. 1791) and Hannah and the saga of the wayward Richings continues with John and Hannah. It appears from what I have found that John deserted Hannah and took up with their servant, possible even divorcing Hannah and marrying Eliza. I will look up my notes tonight when I get home as I have Census details and information I found at the W-U-E History Centre some years ago.
John (Thomas) Richings who deserted Sarah Ann, was the brother of my 2 x great grandfather, William and I thought my Richings family was quite staid until I came to the mystery of John deserting Hannah, and now all this!!!
Seems you both live in Aus. I was born in Aus but have lived in the UK for 10 years, about 40 miles from WUE.
Regards
CW
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Lucy2
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Hi ishtat
Just having a little giggle about "the coffee shop adulterer". Well, I wonder what became of this Isabella ... perhaps we can find her too ? (Mmmm ... now I'm getting ahead of myself).
It sounds like you have some wonderful information - and thanks, would dearly love to have details of anything you care to share.
I have John's New Zealand Death Cert., a copy of his 1881 bankruptcy file; the Letters of Administration record (he died intestate and seemingly penniless). (Nothing exciting, but "records" nevertheless). There is also a Coroner's report (1898) - fairly well covered in a newspaper article (I think there is probably a reference to it on the AUS thread)? Archives New Zealand have this report on film, but because it was written up on blue-coloured paper, it has not photographed well and is virtually impossible to read. (I can/must, send a request to the Chief Archivist, to ascertain whether I can view the original - though it possibly carries no more detail than the newspaper article).
And, Aunt Nora's diary ... what a delight to have a treasure such as that. Oh yes, absolutely, it's contents should not be divulged.
So ... looking forward to this new information ... and who knows, by marrying some of this up with what we already have, there may even arise, some new developments ?
(Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic ?)
Ah, RICHINGS ... what a family !
Lu
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Lucy2
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Hi cello
Welcome back.
(Sorry, I edited my last posting to you, as in retrospect, I thought you were only seeking to find out what had become of John RICHINGS - and that lengthy saga is all documented over on the AUS thread).
Yes, isn't this all very interesting ... exciting, more like !
WOW ! How great that you too have further info for our family.
Have to admit that I'm guilty of not having (yet) followed through to finding more on John (senior) and Mary. I promise you though ... it is sitting in my "to do" file !
AND ... John and Hannah ... and Eliza ? Brilliant !
(How intriguing ... ANOTHER scandal ? ! Hey, we shouldn't really be surprised, should we ? ) Looking forward to hearing more.
Don't fret about not finding RootsChat earlier ... the important thing, is that we have you aboard ... now !
So, yes please ... anything you care to contribute, is most welcome. Thanks.
Lu
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cello
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Refer posting today at 15:07
1841 Census: Long St, Wotton-Under-Edge, GLS
RICHINGS John, Male, 50, born Gloucestershire
RICHINGS Hannah, Female, 53, born Gloucestershire
RICHINGS Jacob, Male, 17, born Gloucestershire
COOK Eliza, Female, 24
COOK Edward, Male, 12
COOK George, Male, 10
1851 Census: Haw ST., 95
RICHINGS Jacob, Head, Unmarried, 26, Baker (Master), W-U-E
RICHINGS Hannah, Mother, Married, 63, W-U-E
GAYARD Elizabeth, Niece, 11, Scholar, W-U-E
1851 CENSUS: Long St., 57
RICHINGS John, Head, Married, 62, Baker, W-U-E
RICHINGS Eliza, Wife, Married, 34, Trowbridge, Wilts
BARTLETT Christina, Serv., Unmarried, 19, Servant, W-U-E
Burial at St. Mary's W-U-E in 1894 of Eliza RICHINGS (otherwise Cook) (aged 76).
It appears that in 1841 John and his wife Hannah were living together and also living with them was 24 year old Eliza Cook (and two other children with surname COOK).
By 1851 Hannah was living with her son Jacob (note she still gives her marital status as married), but John appears to be living with Eliza Cook and she is shown as Eliza Richings and as his wife. On her burial details her name is shown as (otherwise COOK) so maybe they never officially married.
The next question is whether Eliza Cook is related to Mary COOK, the wife of John and Hannah's son John. John and Mary are the parents of John (Thomas) Richings.
The wicked webs we weave!
CW
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Lucy2
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EXCELLENT cello ! Many thanks.
(Will cast my eye over this in more detail). Fascinating !
Ah ... butchers ... bakers ... but not as yet, any candlestick makers ? (Perhaps we'll find some of those in the COOK line)?
Yes, this COOK connection seems intriguing.
Thanks again.
Lu
Edit: Giggle ... John / Hannah / Eliza ... yes it looks like a classic case, of "trading up, to a newer-model" ?
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