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Topic: Morgan's from Bermondsey ? (Read 158 times)
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AMBLY
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Hi Owen
For reference:
1881: RG11 - P 560 / F 58 / Pg 62;
John Robert MORGAN 36, General Labourer, b Bermondsey
Wife: Emma 26, b Bermondsey
son Richard John 7 born Bermondsey
son George Albert 3 born Newington Surrey
Dau Ada Elizabeth 1, born Bermondsey
Noting: Newington Surrey extends from St. George's, Southwark, to Camberwell.
Could this be the family in 1891 - Wife/Mother is named as Mary of right age, similar POB, and the head (John??) is not at home!! But it's the names and POB of the 2 eldest children here:
1891: St George the Martyr, Southwark, London
(it's in the wider Municipality of Bermondsey)
Ref:RG12 - P 345 / F 14 / Pg 23
Address: 44 Clifton Buildings - Noel Street
Wife: Mary MORGAN 36, b London St Georges
Son: George MORGAN 13, Carm. Van Boy , b St Georges Surrey
Dau: Ada MORGAN 11, b Bermondsey
Dau: Clara MORGAN 9, b Bermondsey
Son: Frederick MORGAN 6, b Bermondsey
I can't find this 1891 family in 1881 - closest match is your 1881.
Cheers
AMBLY
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AMBLY
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Hi again
Then in 1901 - this looks like the 1891 family AND the 1881 
1901: Edmonton, All Saints Middlesex, London
Ref: RG13 / P 1264 / FoF 69 / Pg 26.
Address: (Glenrose) 37 Arthur Road
Head: Emma MORGAN 46, Marr, b Bermondsey
Son: John R MORGAN 27, unm, Warehouseman, b Bermondsey **
Son: Geroge A MORGAN 23, unm, Carman, b Newington
Dau: Clara MORGAN 19, unm, Fancy Boa Maker, b Bermondsey
Son: Fred'k 16, unm, General Labourer, b Bermondsey
Dau: Florence M MORGAN 6, b Edmonton
Boarder: William F LIDDLE 55, wid, General Engineer, b Bermondsey
** 1901 Son John R is possibly the same Richard John from 1881.
So possibly the wife/mother name in 1891 of "Mary" is an 1891 "typo" by the enumerator.
Cheers
AMBLY
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AMBLY
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Hmmm....
in 1901 is this chappie:
1901:Christchurch (St Saviour Southwark) London
Ref: RG13 / P 360 / F 60 / Pg 5
Address: District Workhouse
Inmate: John R MORGAN 56, married, Currier L--a-th (?) b St Georges London
And I have a deep dark suspicion that he was not John Robert MORGAN (though that is clearly stated on the 1881) - but rather John Richard MORGAN and that his first son born abt 1874 was named for him:
And that this could be the marriage:
Sep Qtr 1873 St Saviour
John Richard MORGAN and one of the 2 possible brides is: Emma DASH.
(For elimination, the other couple on the page are Ralph JACKSON and Elizabeth LAVER - there is a Ralph JACKSON in Lambeth 1881 with a wife named Eliza, which may or may not be them!)
Having said that, the most likely birth I can see as possible for the eldest son (off 1881 & 1901) is:
Mar Qtr 1873 St Saviour - John Richard C M MORGAN
This registration precedes that marriage ....
The only other one close is Richard John MORGAN in Mar Qtr 1874 St Olave.
In 1891: St Saviours Southwark, London
Could be the son
Ref: RG12 / PiP 342; /F 90 / Pg 23
Address: 96 Southwark Street
Lodger: John MORGAN 17, Grocers Porter, b Bermondsey
This address cover 1 full page and 2 half pages of Census - 12 servants, and well over 100 Lodgers - it's a Lodging House kept by a 28 yr old Yorkshireman,
In 1891: Dulwich, Camberwell. London
Could be John R himself:
Ref: RG12 / P 472 /F 145/ Pg 30
Address: St Saviours Union Infirmary
Patient: John R MORGAN 46, married, ?---man (-------?) , b Southwark
(I can't make out his occupation?)
And encourgaingly, there is an Emma DASH in 1871, of the right age to be Mrs Emma MORGAN of 1881-1901 - and at a somewhat familiar address:
1871: St George the Martyr, Southwark St Saviour, London (Kent Road area)
Ref: RG10 / P 600 / F 45 / Pg 28;
Address: 11 Noel Street
Head: George DASH 60, Fish Curer, b Surrey
Wife: Ellen DASH 58, b Bermondsey
Dau: Emma DASH 17, unm, Servant, b Bermondsey
Son: WIlliam DASH 29, unm, Driver, b Bermondsey
Cheers
AMBLY
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Owen
Have you got a Caroline Eliza Ann Morgan on your tree 
Celia
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