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Topic: **COMPLETED** Lewes Prison in 1861 (Read 824 times)
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kizmiaz
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Hi
I think I can guess that the answer to this question is going to be "no" but I thought I'd ask anyway
My GGG-grandmother Eliza Matthews (nee Chapman) was listed on the 1861 census as an inmate in Lewes Gaol and House of Correction, and I was just wondering if there is any way to find out what she was in there for and for how long.
As far as I know, she is the only member of my entire family to have strayed off the straight and narrow to such an extent (boring lot, aren't we!) and it would be interesting to see what she did.
Many thanks
Glen
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In Sussex - Robins, Willis, Hills, Winchester, Harwood, Breden, Jupp, Matthews, Windsor, Dove, Duly, Baker and lots more. In London - Scully, Day, Emery, Alger All Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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kizmiaz
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(I'm sure it was a petty offence)
Hope not! It'd be interesting to have a major criminal in at least one part of the family. Too many do-gooders for my liking!
I can narrow the time she could have been in Gaol/Jail to the period from 1860 to 1863 since she was out and about having kids at home before and after that, so obviously not a major career criminal.
Thanks Jane
I will have to get in touch with ESRO and see if I can find anything.
Glen
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In Sussex - Robins, Willis, Hills, Winchester, Harwood, Breden, Jupp, Matthews, Windsor, Dove, Duly, Baker and lots more. In London - Scully, Day, Emery, Alger All Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Glen
I have a transcript of the Quarter Session Records from 1810 - 1854 (done by Friends of East Sussex Records Office and PBN publications) and she does not appear in them under the name of Matthews.
Chris in 1066
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kizmiaz
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Thanks for looking Chris
I think I'll have to make a trip to Lewes soon, to catch up on all these records I've got to check.
Glen
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In Sussex - Robins, Willis, Hills, Winchester, Harwood, Breden, Jupp, Matthews, Windsor, Dove, Duly, Baker and lots more. In London - Scully, Day, Emery, Alger All Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Paula
Yes, to the best of my knowledge they are still on sale.
I bought my copy a few years ago on a visit to the East Sussex Record Office who I know stocks them.
PBN are on the web at
http://www.pbnpublications.com/
where you will find them listed under Criminal Records
Chris in 1066
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lizdb
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Sorry to muscle in on your thread, Glen.
But I was wondering if there was any chance Chris could look in his Quarter sessions records 1810-54 to see if there is any mention of a George Edmunds? Would be very grateful. Thanks.
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Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Lizdb
Sorry, but according to the Quarter Sessions Records there is only one Edmonds Criminal
Edmonds Harriett, aged 65, widow, 1849 - victim was Bowbridge West
but there are several with Edmonds as the Victims
Edmonds James by Samuel Baker in 1817 at Rye
Edmonds Sarah by Thomas Ades in 1828
Edmonds William by Thomas Ades in 1828
Edmunds Alfred by Turk Thomas, Chimney Sweep in 1843
Edmunds Thomas by Welch Thomas Plumber & Glazier in 1823
Edmunds William by Curd Thomas a Seaman of Peasmarsh in 1842
Chris in 1066
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lizdb
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Thank you VERY much for looking.
(We weren't such a goody goody family as your findings suggest - George Edmunds commited suicide whilst in Lewes gaol awaiting trial for larceny (havent got date to hand) but the newspaper report stated he had been a 'regular' there!)
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Chris in 1066Land
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Lizdb
Dont know wether you are reading it the correct way - the records showed only one criminal - Old Harriot; the rest of the Emonds were all victims of crimes, so it looks better than most families of that day
Chris in 1066
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lizdb
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Yep - I read it as such!
Hence it implied we were a bit of a goody goody lot - never in the wrong!!!! (ratio 1 criminal to 7 victims)
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Chris in 1066Land
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lizdb
Yep, I have re-read your answer - sorry, brain and eyes were not working together.
Chris
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kizmiaz
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My, how time flies. Nearly two years have passed since I posted this!
Eliza's life of crime completely slipped my mind, so I never got to visit Lewes to find out what a master criminal she was.
Well, thanks to Ancestry's new Criminal records database, I have finally found that she was sentenced to 4 months for "feloniously forging a request for goods" (no idea what it means, but I'm assuming some sort of Poor Law handout that she tried to fiddle). I can imagine she was trying to get extra food to feed her starving children, rather than as some sort of female Delboy Trotter
I now have a date of her conviction (18 March 1861), so a peruse of the local newspapers for that time is definitely a good place to start. More time in front of a microfilm machine is called for, and therefore more headache tablets are on the shopping list!
And just to think, if she had done the crime just a month or so later, it would never have been known by anyone living today. But she was in prison on census night, not at home with her poor little ones.
Glen
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