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Topic: Mexico - kind of not Mexico anymore, more utter confusion...! (Read 587 times)
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jorose
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Re: Mexico
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 29 May 08 13:22 BST (UK) » |
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Although I can't see the full reference, a Sidney William Justice died in Buckinghamshire in 1996. Possibly there was a divorce? (Sidney W. Justice was born in Buckingham district in 1914, and I suspect this is the first husband).
I also found a son to Sarah and Sidney in 1935 (amj quarter), but I won't put the information on here as he may still be living. You should be able to spot the record without too much of a problem, but if you can't see it I'll PM the details later.
Well done on the marriage! Two middle names ought to help locate him. Incidentally, there's a John E. S. Cook b. 1913 in Greenwich/St. Olave (he seems to have been registered twice?), mother's maiden name Covell. Might be a red herring, but a Greenwich link might suggest navy/merchant navy... (that'll have to wait for the certificate, really, but it's fun to speculate).
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alllegs
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Re: Mexico
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 29 May 08 15:15 BST (UK) » |
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Thank you Jorose
Sid and Sarah had 2 sons according to my friends mum (2nd one born in North Bucks in 1938). Sarah and John had another daughter prior to friends mum, so perhaps a divorce was occuring hence John and Sarahs marriage after the birth of 2 daughters....?
Any idea how I would search for a divorce?
Will have a look for the son now, thanks.
I found another John ES Cook born 1913, JFM 1/4 in Leicester, mother's maiden name = Beck
Speculation keeps me off the streets and out of trouble!!!!
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Re: Mexico
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 29 May 08 15:21 BST (UK) » |
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More speculation but there is a marriage between Louisa Covell and Edward A Cook in JFM 1911 in St Olave....
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Re: Mexico
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 29 May 08 15:35 BST (UK) » |
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I can't find anywhere to search for divorces after 1935....
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Re: Mexico
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 29 May 08 16:23 BST (UK) » |
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Hmm... there definitely are files in J77 on the NA catalogue that go beyond 1935, but apparently most case files beyond 1938 were destroyed and no longer exist. I had a quick look at the Times (which should have mentioned the case, but often only by surname in a long list of divorce cases going up before the judge, and with surname "Justice" it makes it a bit difficult), but no luck.
Principal Registry of the Family Division, Decree Absolute Section, First Avenue House, 42-49 High Holborn, London WC1V 6NP (020 7947 7015) seem to be the people you should be checking with if there was a divorce - probably best to narrow it down as much as you can first. If they do find something, apparently you want to ask for copies of both the decree absolute and decree nisi to get all the possible information (i.e. cause of divorce, etc).
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« Reply #20 on: Thursday 29 May 08 16:29 BST (UK) » |
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oh heck, now it turns out that Sarah had 2 sons (1935 and 1938) and a daughter (1943) to Sidney Justice. However, my friend and her family think that the daughter is John Cook's daughter....
Although I guess Sarah could still have been Mrs Justice (whether married/divorced/widowed) when her and Mr Cook's daughter were born in 1943? Although the next daughter born as a Cook in 1947 was born before Sarah married Mr Cook....
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Re: Mexico
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 29 May 08 16:31 BST (UK) » |
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Thank you for the divorce info, I'll have to ask my friend what she wants to do about finding that as it'll cost £40. At least I seem to have narrowed the dates down a little! I searched J77 on the National Archives site, but nothing came up for those two, it seems likely that it would have occured after 1983 as son number 2 was born in 1938 so it may not exist any longer I guess...?
Maybe they didn't divorce....? Bigamy??? Or perhaps we just haven't found Sid's death...?
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A Summary of the facts....
Sarah Ann Rebekah Seaton was born in the Winslow district in Dec 1/4 1911.
She married Sidney William Justice in the district of Wycombe in Dec 1/4 1934
They had 2 sons, June 1/4 1935 in district of Aylesbury and Dec 1/4 1938 in district of North Bucks
A Justice daughter was born in district of North Bucks in Dec 1/4 1943
In 1947 another daughter was born to Sarah indexed under Justice and Cook.
Sarah married John ES Cook in Thanet district in 1948. More children are born.
Sidney Justice dies in 1996
Now the speculation.....
Sidney Justice joined the forces and fought somewhere in WW2, whilst he was away Sarah met John Cook and gave birth illigitimatly to daughter Justice in 1943.
Sidney returns home to find Sarah with John and files for divorce. Daughter 2 was born and registered under Cook and Justice as both parents were present, still awaiting divorce.
Divorce comes through and Sarah and John marry in 1948.
What do you reckon...?
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alllegs
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No idea Karen.....
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Hi,
Me agian, received John and Sarah's marriage certificate today, Sarah was divorced from Sidney and she married John in Jan 1948.
John's birth is the one Jorose located in 1913, as his father is Edward Arthur Cook who married Louisa Covell in 1911 in St Olave.
On Sarah's side, her parents were William John Seaton and Kate Ellen Smith. They married in Kingston in 1908.
So now I need to find Sarah's divorce between 1935 and 1848......
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What was John's full name on the marriage certificate? Might be able to find something on him from that. It's quite possible he was named on the divorce - if there was one and she wasn't being a trifle economical with the truth.
If there was a daughter born in 1947 who used the name Justice/Cook but they didn't marry to 1948, I'd start first looking for a divorce in 1947/8, with the marriage right after.
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alllegs
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His full name is John Edward Samuel Cook, born St Olave district 1913.
There were 2 daughters born before the marriage, one in 1947 registered as Cook and Justice and one in Dec 1/4 1943 registered as Justice but believed to be the daughter for John Cook as Sidney was away fighting in WW2.
Where would I look for a divorce in the late 40's? the latest records I can find online are only until 1935.
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The only place I can think of is to write to the address I gave upthread:
Principal Registry of the Family Division, Decree Absolute Section, First Avenue House, 42-49 High Holborn, London WC1V 6NP (020 7947 7015)
and ask them to confirm if there was a divorce - I'm not sure . Case files have not survived. I tried looking in the Times which often listed divorce cases but couldn't find anything - they usually just listed surnames and the surname "Justice" makes it difficult.
http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ - if you do an exact search for the phrase Cook, John Edward Samuel a hit in 1992 will come up relating to his death.
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alllegs
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Good idea, I'll speak to my friend and see what she wants to do.
Justice isn't the easiest name to search for divorce wise is it?!!!!
Struggling to locate John Cook's father on the 1901 census.... and Sarah's mother!!!
Why are Cook and Smith so popular?!!!! 
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