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clairhaines
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Lost family between 1881 and 1891
« on: Friday 26 October 07 04:17 UTC (UK) »

Hi All,

I have lost a family between the England census' of 1881 and 1891.

1881 Census

Charles Henry Hammer  38
Elizabeth Hammer 35
Harold Augustus Hammer 1
Lilian Althea Hammer 5
Percy Adolphus James Hammer 13

Born St. Austell, Cornwall, England
Presently located, St. Ive, Cornwall, England.
Occupation: School master.

Can only find Percy Hammer in the 1891 census - newly married. None of the rest of the family are there.

Could they have emigrated somewhere??? How do I find out??

Thanks everyone for your advice.
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Re: Lost family between 1881 and 1891
« Reply #1 on: Friday 26 October 07 05:01 UTC (UK) »

1891 RG12/1809/68/13.
mistrasnscribed as hanner
charles henry hammer age 48. b. st.austell. occ. certificated schoolmaster. head.
elizabeth hammer age 45. b. ditto. occ. teacher of needlework. wife.
harold augustus hammer age 11. b. st ives cornwall. son.
ann heal chynoweth age 83. b. st.austell. mother-in-law.(widowed)
living at st ive,cornwall.
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Lazarus
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Re: Lost family between 1881 and 1891
« Reply #2 on: Friday 26 October 07 05:46 UTC (UK) »

Can't be sure if this will help but just in case:
My Nicholas Harry 1800-1846 a tin miner from St Stephen in Brannel married 18.11.1822 St Mewan, Jane/Jennifer Hammer 1804-1874.She died 29.3.1874 St Austell.
In 1841 the family was living at Western Boscundle- St Austell.
In 1851 they were living at Bucklers St Austell.
One of their sons,John Hammer Harry b1837 was my great grandfather.He came to Australia c1864.
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Re: Lost family between 1881 and 1891
« Reply #3 on: Friday 26 October 07 06:16 UTC (UK) »

I have discovered that I have some Hammer family data which may be of interest to you.
Charles Henry Hammer bpt.11.6.1843 St Austell married Elizabeth??? c1866.
Charles was a son of John Hammer bpt.1.4.1798 St Mewan and Elizabeth (Betsy)Coch (Cock).They married 17.10.1818 St Mewan.
Harold Augustus Hammer was born 1880 St Ives.
Unless I am mistaken,the John Hammer who married Elizabeth Coch/Cock is a brother of my Jenny Hammer.
There are lots of Hammer branches mainly located St Mewan,St Austell with some obviously migrating to Victoria.
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Re: Lost family between 1881 and 1891
« Reply #4 on: Friday 26 October 07 06:22 UTC (UK) »

marriage index
name. charles henry hammer
y.o.r. 1865.
qtr. jul/aug/sep.
dist. st. austell.
county. cornwall.
vol. 5c.
page. 177.
also on the same page. elizabeth chynoweth.
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Re: Lost family between 1881 and 1891
« Reply #5 on: Friday 26 October 07 06:49 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Wozzle.I think this tells us it was Elizabeth Chynoweth who married Charles.
Unfortunately I have lost contact with the person who gave me the Hammer data back in 1999.I recall his name was David Kilpen.
I think a John Harry b1821 St Austell may have married a Maria Hammer bpt.5.8.1823 St Mewan.I think he may have died Oct.1865 Rio Grande De Sol Brazil.He was a miner.
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Re: Lost family between 1881 and 1891
« Reply #6 on: Friday 26 October 07 07:11 UTC (UK) »

marriage
name. maria hammer
y.o.r. 1841
qtr. oct/nov/dec.
dist. st. austell.
county. cornwall.
vol. 9.
page. 2.
also on the same page john harry.
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Re: Lost family between 1881 and 1891
« Reply #7 on: Friday 26 October 07 11:17 UTC (UK) »

There's a death for Charles Henry Hammer in Plymouth in 1894, aged 51 - could be yours?

I think Lilian Althea is the Lily A. Hammer aged 15 who is at a "Ladies College" in Devon in 1891 (you'll find her at freecen.rootsweb.com).

There is a possiblity at www.findmypast.com - in 1897, both L. Hammer, 21 (female) and H. Hammer, 17 (male) seem to have left for South Africa.

http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300dl - if you go here, and search under "RSA" for Harold and Hammer, you will get a hit for estate papers of Harold Augustus Hammer in 1940.  If you search for Lilian and Hammer, there is a "Mortgage Bond" for William Michie and Lilian Alethea Hammer in 1903.

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/SOUTH-AFRICA-IMMIGRANTS-BRITISH/2003-09/1063540587 - and a mention here of a marriage, Frederick George Hammer to Lilian Alethea Hammer in 1897!  If you search above for him, there's also a mention of a death notice for Frederick George in 1903, and something about the mortgage with William Michie in 1903 with his name on it as well (perhaps after he died Lilian had to transfer the mortgage into her name?)
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Re: Lost family between 1881 and 1891
« Reply #8 on: Friday 26 October 07 23:51 UTC (UK) »

Great information Jorose.Thank you.
Now waiting for clairhaines to respond re possible connection to my Hammer family.
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Re: Lost family between 1881 and 1891
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 28 October 07 01:00 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for all that information - rootschat members never cease to amaze me with their wealth of information and promptness.

Lazarus. I am a decendant of Richard Hammer, born approx 1822 to John and Elizabeth Hammer.

He married Maria/Mary Tonkin?? before 1841 (census data) and emmigrated to Victoria, Australia in 1856.

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Re: Lost family between 1881 and 1891
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 28 October 07 02:08 UTC (UK) »

Hello Claire
I have Richard Hammer bpt.5.8.1821 St Mewan marrying Maria Tonkin 1840.
They came to Victoria Jan.1856.
Their children were:
Mary J. b1841 = Sampson Varcoe 1857 Vic.
Richard Hammer b1842 = Ann Brokenshire 1865 Vic.
John b1844 = Ellen Bellenger 1868 Victoria
Elizabeth b1846 = Justin Angwin 1862 Vic.
William b1847 = Elizabeth Jane Treloar 1869 Vic.
Christianna b1848 = Thomas William Johnson 1865 Vic.
Phillip Henry b1850 = Elizabeth Jane Luke 1872 Victoria
Rhoda Maria b1851 = 1. James Blight 1868 Vic. and 2.David Robinson 1900 Vic.
Maria Alfreda b1853 = John Henry Worral 1869 Vic.

As I understand it Richard was a son of John Hammer and Elizabeth/Betsy Coch(Cock).
John had a sister Jenny bpt 1804 St Mewan who married my Nicholas Harry.They were my great great grandparents.My great grandparents (John Hammer Harry and Elizabeth Ann Wellington) were married at Beechworth and lived at El Dorado raising at least 15 children.

I am trying to solve a mystery regarding Maria Hammer bpt.5.8.1823,sister of Richard.Do you know anything about her? I think she married a John Harry b1821 d1865 Brazil.They had 5 children.My difficulty is that I have not been able to link this John Harry to my Harry family.

I found the family of Richard Hammer and Maria on the 1851 Census,living at Fatwork Downs.

Best wishes
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Re: Lost family between 1881 and 1891
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 30 October 07 23:05 UTC (UK) »

Sorry for the late reply Lazarus,

Richard and Maria did indeed have all those children. Their daughter Christianna married Thomas William Johnson and became my gg grandmother on my mothers side. They settled and spent their life in Ballarat, Victoria.

Feel free to have a look at my family tree at;

http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=clair1485&recno=0

Clair

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Re: Lost family between 1881 and 1891
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 30 October 07 23:48 UTC (UK) »

Good morning Claire
Thank you for telling me of the connection.
Are you able to tell me anything about Maria Hammer bpt.5.8.1823 who I understand married a John Harry?He may have died Brazil and Maria may have married again.
Rex (Lazarus)
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Re: Lost family between 1881 and 1891
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 31 October 07 10:07 UTC (UK) »

Sorry lazarus, have only discovered Richard Hammer and family, and so haven't delved into his greater family tree.

Goodluck though.
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