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Aulus
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The black sheep: Florence Stevenson née Hampson
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Thanks - lots here for me to follow up.
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Lancashire: Stevenson, Wild, Holden, Jepson Worcs/Staffs: Steventon, Smith East London & Suffolk: Guest, Scrutton East London: Palfreman (prev Tyneside), Bissell, Collis, Dearlove, Ettridge Herts: Camac, Collis, Mason, Dorrington, Siggens Marylebone & Sussex: Cole London & Huntingdonshire: Freeman Bowland: Marsden, Noble Shropshire: Guest Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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john2o2o
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Hi Aulus,
Just as I'm in an altruistic mood I've had a look back at some of your other posts. Did you ever find the Collis family in 1881? The reason you've had trouble with them is because they appear just with their initials for some reason - lazy enumerator perhaps. The reference is RG11 0402 folio 34 page 14. Their address is 8 Bank Stock Buildings, London.
With the IGI generally the material in capitals is reasonably reliable - though should still always be checked to the original. Conversely the stuff in lower case letters that has been added more recently is usually garbage and is far less reliable. The point is that there is a definite difference in the quality of the IGI material in capitals compared to the material in lower case letters!
With John and Penelope there is a later couple of the same name that someone else posted on this forum. Penelope is not a common name so that is unusual, however you can be confident that John Guest and Penelope Easthope married in 1730 are Ralph's parents. The IGI (capitals reference) suggests that Penelope Easthope was baptised in Bridgnorth in 1702 - the name is unusual and the date is right. The other Penelope East(h)ope bp 1727 at Bridgnorth is probably going to be her niece.
In case you were not aware it is an easy matter to pick up the children in a family if you use the facility on the IGI in the top right hand corner - just put in the father's name and the mother's first name. Leave everything else to do with the names blank.
This does have one caveat, however in that if the IGI transcript does not have a mother's name then the children will not be shown. As with everything to do with the IGI use, but use with caution.
I'm intrigued by aunt Florence. Having a relative on the stage about 100 years ago was probably a little like having a pole dancer in the family today - a little embarrassing. Actresses (perhaps unfairly) had an unsavoury reputation - Nell Gwyn and Dorothy Bland being famous King's mistresses and actresses.
Just one more thing - above I posted dates such as '1737/8' - this refers to the old/new calendar dates. So January would here be 1737 old (Julian) calendar with the new year beginning 25th March and 1738 new (Gregorian) calendar with new year beginning 1st January. If you want to know more it's an easy matter to look up calendar changes. From 1752 we adopted the Gregorian calendar with the new year beginning 1st January.
best wishes John
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Aulus
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Thanks John.
Very kind of you.
Yes, I had found the Collises in 1881.
I agree any IGI submitted records need to be treated with a great deal of doubt. However, the extracted records that I've checked, I've so far found to be reliable. Still worth getting to the original registers, though, as there is often additional information there.
I'd found that with the IGI Batch no, you can search by surname only and it will find all the children, but haven't tried the method you describe, so thanks for that.
Great Aunt Florence is an enigma. We know which side of the family she was on (my paternal grandfather, so Smith, Stevenson or Burton), but there just isn't a Florence in the right period. The photograph dates to the period September 1877 - 1902, which is when the photographer, Henry Van der Weyde's studio was at 82 Regent Street. Unfortunately my father never asked his father who she was, beyond being Great Aunt Florence, and we didn't push my grandmother hard enough to get beyond the "she went to London: we don't talk about her" - as you say, similar to having a pole dancer or worse today. The moral for anyone out there with living grandparents is "put grannie on the rack till she gives up every last bit of information"  Clearly Florence did go to London, as that's where the photograph is taken. Given the address (on Regent St), van der Weyde was no cheap back-street photographer, so I suspect she can't have been too unsuccessful. It's a very glamorous photograph and I've only just noticed she appears to be wearing a sleeveless dress which sounds a bit risqué for the second half of the 19th century.
Thanks for all your help and pointers. All much appreciated.
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Lancashire: Stevenson, Wild, Holden, Jepson Worcs/Staffs: Steventon, Smith East London & Suffolk: Guest, Scrutton East London: Palfreman (prev Tyneside), Bissell, Collis, Dearlove, Ettridge Herts: Camac, Collis, Mason, Dorrington, Siggens Marylebone & Sussex: Cole London & Huntingdonshire: Freeman Bowland: Marsden, Noble Shropshire: Guest Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Aulus
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Thanks, I'll look up the Hartshorns.
Just revisited some of the Guests in John's posts
George 'Geast' bp 2 Nov 1578 bur 24 Feb 1616/7
m Agnes Huxley
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George Geast bp 14 Sep 1604 bur 29 Jan 1649/50 m Mary Haddon 14 Oct 1630
(note his bp 1604 is from the IGI as above suggesting Lindley. The mother is stated to be Agnes Huxley or Uxley - again I do not know where this assertion comes from as the Broseley register does not list either this bp or his parent's m). The IGI incorrectly suggests that he died 1674 - his widow died in 1668).
The IGI has (extracted records, so reasonably reliable) four children of a George and Agnes Guest at the start of the 17th century: Elizabeth (1606), Robert (1609), Anna (1612) and John (1615). But still no clue as to where Huxley/Uxley come s from.
Also in the IGI (Batch: P011551 ) is a George & Mary Gest (sic) having a son, Robert, baptised 19 Feb 1650/51, which doesn't tally with him being buried January 1649/50. I wonder if there were two couples called George & Mary Guest?
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Lancashire: Stevenson, Wild, Holden, Jepson Worcs/Staffs: Steventon, Smith East London & Suffolk: Guest, Scrutton East London: Palfreman (prev Tyneside), Bissell, Collis, Dearlove, Ettridge Herts: Camac, Collis, Mason, Dorrington, Siggens Marylebone & Sussex: Cole London & Huntingdonshire: Freeman Bowland: Marsden, Noble Shropshire: Guest Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Aulus
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I've been following the GKN Guest line for interest and found that, leaving aside the lorryload of Barons and Earls and such like, Jane Asher is my 9th cousin once removed. Must go and bake a cake!
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Lancashire: Stevenson, Wild, Holden, Jepson Worcs/Staffs: Steventon, Smith East London & Suffolk: Guest, Scrutton East London: Palfreman (prev Tyneside), Bissell, Collis, Dearlove, Ettridge Herts: Camac, Collis, Mason, Dorrington, Siggens Marylebone & Sussex: Cole London & Huntingdonshire: Freeman Bowland: Marsden, Noble Shropshire: Guest Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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