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Anthony Hamilton,Whitehaven
« on: Saturday 27 October 07 03:01 BST (UK) »

My problem is as follows,hoping some kind person can break the impasse .  My G/Grandpa Anthony Hamilton is recorded on his Marriage & all census records as having been born in Whitehaven in 1813 ( His father was also named Anthony).   I have been unable to locate a birth cert. for him .    I employed a researcher at the Whitehaven Records Off. for 1.1/2hrs  who failed to locate any birth records for my Anthony .     The only other Anthony in that time frame was , Anthony baptised in Holy Trinity ,Whitehaven ,19/6/1752, son of Isaac & Frances.         !828 ,  Col. Anthony Hamilton , Roper St, Whitehaven .     Lieut.Col.Anthony Hamilton , died,25/6/1830, Holy Trinity Church .       My Query is , was this Anthony married & did he have progeny ,   As his father was a surgeon & my G/Grandad was initially a Medical student in 1841 ( but dropped out) in London ,which may have been a reason for not contacting his family later!  if indeed they are his family ,they may have disowned him ?   I hope someone can unearth a clue here, it would be most appreciated.   Ron Hamilton ,Tokoroa, N.Z.  Sad
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Re: Anthony Hamilton,Whitehaven
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 27 October 07 09:35 BST (UK) »

Hi Ron - Welcome to Rootschat Smiley

I can't help with anything specific, but I've noticed there was an aged HAMILTON lady in Whitehaven in 1841 who was perhaps the widow of Col HAMILTON (but too old to be mother of your Anthony.

Lowther St, Whitehaven
Dorothy HAMILTON 94 Ind, Cumberland
plus 3 servants

I guess her death certificate would indicate who her husband had been.

Deaths Sep 1845
HAMILTON    Dorothy         Whitehaven    25   98

Oops!  Embarrassed  I've just discovered she was a sister of the Colonel's, bap 1746, dau of Isaac. Sorry - good luck!
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Re: Anthony Hamilton,Whitehaven
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 27 October 07 10:20 BST (UK) »

 :)Thank you so much  Geoff for your input, I still feel there is a link to that family . I am informed they were an influential family thereabouts . It was one of those family myths that he came from a well-to-do family & he was obviously well educated & maintained a respectable position all his life until his demise in Liverpool in 1891. I wonder if his death cert. would reveal anything more? I will try that.   Ron
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Re: Anthony Hamilton,Whitehaven
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 27 October 07 21:24 BST (UK) »

Hello Ron,
On the UK National Archives website, there is a will of an Anthony Hamilton of Whitehaven, dated 25 October 1830.  The date is the date the will was proven I think, so fits in with the date you have for the death of Lt Col Anthony Hamilton. Downloadable for £3.50.
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Re: Anthony Hamilton,Whitehaven
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 27 October 07 23:23 BST (UK) »

Welcome to Rootschat Ron and Alan Grin

There are a lot of Hamiltons listed on IGI in Whitehaven going back to early 1700s.  There are a lot of Isaacs,  but couldn't see your Anthony listed.

It's annoying when you can't get any further, hopefully his death cert will help, or the will that Alan mentioned.

There is a Hamilton Terrace, and a Hamilton Lane in Whitehaven - who knows, maybe named after one of your ancestors Grin

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GROGGINS, GLASSON, FARRELLY, PYE, CAMPBELL, HENVY, GLAVE - Ireland, Whitehaven (Cumberland)
BEARDEN, BOWMAN - Whitehaven/Beckermet Cumberland
ROONEY, WARD, MALONE - Ireland, Cleator Moor (Cumberland)
MAIN, CUTTER, CLAYTON, PRYKE - Thetford, Swaffham (Norfolk)
FORD/E - Ireland, Warwickshire England
COULTHARD - Whitehaven/Workington (Cumberland)
DWAN - Ireland
LAWSON - Isle of Man, Whitehaven
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Re: Anthony Hamilton,Whitehaven
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 28 October 07 11:00 GMT (UK) »

Thank you Alan , that sounds a very interesting lead to follow  & one I was unaware of .     Rosemary too for your efforts.   Re Hamilton Lane , one of those family legends when I was a child referred to an old will in the deed -box that mentioned a number of cottages in a Hamilton Lane , Whitehaven , unfortunately it had disappeared & I recall asking a ship-mate ,who came from Whitehaven if a Hamilton Lane existed, which he confirmed , this was before all this technology etc. when I didn't even knew my G/Grandfather came from there , the mystery thickens !  but intrigueing  & thank you all again for your help .   Ron Hamilton , N.Z.  Smiley
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Re: Anthony Hamilton,Whitehaven
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 31 October 07 12:43 GMT (UK) »

An update on this post . Alan kindly down-loaded the will re Anthony Hamilton which states he had 4 children & one was named Anthony !  Now I want to find a birth record for that Anthony to determine if it was my G/Grandpa  who was stated to be born in 1813  at Whitehaven  Huh  In my dreams !  Ron Hamilton  N.Z.
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Re: Anthony Hamilton,Whitehaven
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 31 October 07 16:40 GMT (UK) »

Ron, I don't think you will find a birth certificate as they didn't start till 1837 and even then were patchy for the first few years. You need a baptism record from 1 of I think 3 main churches in Whitehaven at that time.
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Re: Anthony Hamilton,Whitehaven
« Reply #8 on: Friday 02 November 07 10:36 GMT (UK) »

Sorry for the delay, Bob,  but I believe the researcher in Whitehaven had tried the local churches, which is why I was flummoxed  Huh Ron Hamilton N.Z.  Cry
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Re: Anthony Hamilton,Whitehaven
« Reply #9 on: Friday 02 November 07 10:43 GMT (UK) »

Perhaps Col HAMILTON had returned to Whitehaven around the time of young Tony's birth (perhaps slightly after).  You have his other children's names - have you managed to find out whereabouts they were born?  The Colonel would have been 60ish at the time and may have returned home to retire from the Army.
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Re: Anthony Hamilton,Whitehaven
« Reply #10 on: Friday 02 November 07 11:11 GMT (UK) »

Again I must apologize , The only information on the colonels will stated his estate was to be divided equally between his 4 children, Anthony ,Harriet Louise, Elizabeth, & Maria Frances , he was entrusting Elizabeth Spedding & John XXXX  as guardians during their respective minorities , so presumably some were still children ,  I must thank Alan again for this deciphering of the will ,as its almost unintelligable to me !    Another coincidence to me is that my Anthony christened his daughter Maria Louisa ?    Your supposition that the Colonel had been a travellor & retired & married late had occurred to me also as he had been with the Honourable East India Co ,  (Clive of India,s Co , & didn't he do well ?)  Ron
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Re: Anthony Hamilton,Whitehaven
« Reply #11 on: Friday 02 November 07 12:07 GMT (UK) »

If you have census access, you'll find Elizabeth HAMILTON (26) and Maria F HAMILTON (22) in the 1841 census

HO107/529-10/14/21
EDIT: I've just noticed at the bottom of this largish household an Anthony Hamilton BOWMAN aged 6!  He seems to have been born in Lamplugh, son of John BOWMAN and Harriet Jane HAMILTON who married at Whitehaven in 1831.  Harriet was buried 29 April 1835 (aged 26), 3 days after the baptism of Anthony.  A baby Harriet Jane BOWMAN was buried 13 Nov 1833 aged 9wks.

If you don't have census access, let me know ... I'm off to look at 1851 ...

1851
HO107/2490/209/48
Elizabeth HAMILTON and Maria F HAMILTON are both in Carlisle - both give birthplace as Whitehaven.  Neither baptism seems to be in the IGI.

John BOWMAN (wid) 60 Landed Proprietor, Lamplugh was living in Lamplugh.
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Re: Anthony Hamilton,Whitehaven
« Reply #12 on: Friday 02 November 07 13:46 GMT (UK) »

 :)Geoff,  I dont have immediate census access & I'm thrilled with your revelations ,but saddened about Harriets fate,  the son Anthony does not appear to be in the locality in 1841 which gives credence to our Anthony who was in London in 1841( the census there states he was born out of county) , being the brother .  I know all about him from that point on ,but at no point did he appear to contact ,to our knowledge, his family in Whitehaven .  The fact that the girls dont appear on the IGI also doesn't make his absence seem so outof place now !  I cant express my appreciation sufficiently for  any thing you can glean from the records to fill in the gaps because I'm convinced there must still be distant relatives in that locality still , now that I think we have made the link  I am elated!   Ron
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Re: Anthony Hamilton,Whitehaven
« Reply #13 on: Friday 02 November 07 14:22 GMT (UK) »

1841
Broughton Square, Broughton in Furness
Roger RAY 42 Attorney's Clerk
Sarah 41 (NOT
Robert 11
Elizabeth 9
Betty 85 Widow
Elizabeth HAMILTON 26 Boarding School Teacher (NOT
Maria Frances 22 Boarding School Teacher (NOT
Elizabeth PICKTHALL 13 (NOT
Isabella NELSON 11 (NOT
Elizabeth GRICE 10 (NOT)
Anthony Hamilton BOWMAN 6 (NOT
Those marked (NOT were not born in Lancashire

1851
2 Victoria Place, Carlisle
Elizabeth HAMILTON 39 Teacher, Whitehaven
Maria F 27 Teacher, Whitehaven
plus 2 Servants and 7 Pupils

I hope they didn't teach sums! Wink

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Re: Anthony Hamilton,Whitehaven
« Reply #14 on: Friday 02 November 07 18:45 GMT (UK) »

Hello Ron,
Do you have copies of your Anthony Hamiltons marriage certs? He appears to have married twice, to Charlotte Yardley in 1845 and Mary Ann Yardley in 1857. Marriage certs usually give fathers occupation, as well as his name, even when deceased.
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