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Topic: Joseph PENROSE (Baptism Lookup) (Read 553 times)
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Guinea
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Hi, I am trying to find where a Joseph Penrose was Baptised says on censuses he was born Broadoak, Cornwall around the 1790 era, he may well of had been born in Broadoak, but where was he Baptised, OPClerk has checked out Broadoak to no avail, I am wanting to find his parents, all I know is that his Father is John.
Any Ideas & help appreciated!
Thanks............PHIL.
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osprey
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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There's a marriage in Broadoak of a John Penrose to a Margaret Cook 15/10/1798 IGI batch M052711. Is that the correct John?
Notes on the opc search for this marriage say Margaret is spinster of Cardinham. Now, there is a Margaret baptised 3/3/1772 in Cardinham IGI batch no P002001 and also a baptism for a Jemimah Cook 14/9/1794 to Margaret (same batch), no father mentioned. Could it be that Joseph was born slightly before their marriage?
There is no Joseph Penrose on the Cornwall Baptism index around that date. There's no Joseph Cook either.
Or could the family be non-conformist?
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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krisesjoint
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Hi Phil,
There is a John and Joan PENROSE in Bradoc/Bradock/Broadoak having a family.
John 14 Dec 1768
Ann 22 Aug 1773
Mary 5 Jun 1775
William 29 Aug 1777
Jane 14 Dec 1779
Joseph 9 Sep 1785
James 13 Dec 1787
Thomas 13 Dec 1787
I wonder if they may be the marriage (No garantees but I don't see it in Bradoc)
John PENROSE = Joan HENWOOD 13 Apr 1768 Warleggan
John PENROSE Buried 3 Dec 1811 Bradock
Joan PENROSE aged 77 Buried 13 July 1823 Bradock
Cheers Kris 
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Guinea
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Hi Kris, I think your last one is the family, where did you find Joseph 1785, I thought that may have been his family, most of those were on Cornwall OPC but not Joseph I beleive James died. So Kris does that mean Joan Henwood and John Penrose are the right parents.
Kris, What I am wondering is that Joseph Penrose married Mary Olver in Morval in 1809 because one of his children had the name Charles Vinicombe Penrose,(He was baptised in St Manefreda St Minver in 1812) I was trying to connect this family back to John Penrose the Reverend who were married in Camborne, Your thoughts Kris.
PHIL
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krisesjoint
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Hi Phil,
I am sorry I don't know enough about it to say. A look at the film for these parishes may well be in order. The full entries for 1768 Warleggan and 1809 Morval marriages may contain more information - particularly if either are listed as of a different parish. Witnesses may also help. These names are not uncommon - I just wondered about the Warleggan marriage in the absence of one in Bradoc. There is one in Merther also - Much further away and they had a baptism a month after John 1868 so not that one. Now Camborne is even further away. Do you have reason to connect to this Reverend John Penrose you mention?
Kris
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Guinea
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Hi Kris, The only connection is because of the Vinicombe name & I know the Rev lived in Broadoak at around this time.
What do I have to do to get these films Kris!
Thanks for your troubles so far. & Osprey too!
PHIL
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krisesjoint
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OK Phil,
I see the Camborne marriage
The Rev John PENROSE Clerk, Rector or Cardinham = Miss Jane TREVENEN By Licence 2 Apr 1778
Looks like they had 3 children in Cardinham including Charles Vinicombe PENROSE
So he was having children at the same time as John and Joan in Bradock. 
Do you know where the Vinicombe came from for the Reverend's son? Since your Joseph has a son Charles Vinicombe I can now see why you think there is a connection here.............Kris
PS You can hire the films in to your local LDS Library (Family History Centre) The cost is minimal - just for postage. They give you a ring when the films arrive and keep them for about a month to give you plenty of time to come in view them. You will need to book a reader. 
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Guinea
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Hi Kris, Yes the name Vinicombe is the Rev John Penrose's mother, his father was also John Penrose & he married into the Vinicombe family.
Thanks.........PHIL
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krisesjoint
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Phil,
I see there was also an earlier Charles Vinicombe PENROSE born St Gluvius 1759. Even a Photo
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/collections/prints/viewRepro.cfm?reproID=PU3425
He was an Admiral, the son of The Reverend John PENROSE and Elizabeth. Been chasing this about and I now think I am a lagging behind here. Penny dropped and I am guessing John the Rev = Jane Trevenen may also be their son, brother to this first Charles Vinicombe. Probably honouring the Admiral with the naming of the later Charles Vinicombes.
Now if this is one couple in Bradoc we seem to have quite a big gap from Jane 1779 - Joseph 1785, then looking at John and Jane the last in Cardinham is Dec 1781 so still a 4 year gap after 3 births in three years Did either of these chaps leave wills by any chance?...........Kris
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Guinea
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I don't know Kris.
PHIL
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krisesjoint
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Hi again Phil,
I see this Rev John PENROSE son of John and Elizabeth VINICOMBE who married Jane TREVENEN, after having 3 children in Cardinham moved to Constantine. - I see 7 definite children with 3 in Cardinham (1778-1801) and 4 in Constantine (1887-1893)
mention of Son Rev Thomas Treveren Penrose here and Admiral Charles Vinicombe Penrose who also married a Treveren (Jane's sister)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~phillack/cornish_copper.htm
More on the Trevenen Family
http://pages.quicksilver.net.nz/jcr/~cookmen10.html
So this John Penrose was born Devon 1713 and married Devon 1737 to Elizabeth Vinicombe. Still can't see where the Bradoc man comes from. Although his age is not listed at death, I suspect he would be younger with Joan b about 1745 and their marriage in 1868, unfortunately we know he was not the son of John and Elizabeth Vinicombe
It really is looking as if the birth in Bradoc was not to this couple. I can't see that the twins were as John and Jane had a child in Constantine in 1787. Wonder how these John's connect.
There are some interesting papers held at CRO
http://crocat.cornwall.gov.uk/dserve/dserve.exe?dsqApp=Archive&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqCmd=Search.tcl
Just type John Penrose in the search box and you will find a few interesting entries listed
There was a Rev Charles Vinicombe who died in 1754, mentioned Elizabeth wife of John Penrose in his will (Brother perhaps)
also note the notebook of John Penrose Rector of Perranuthnoe 1782-1783 (Makes me think the birth in 1783 Perranuthnoe may be the same couple) so maybe 8 births
Now I note the CRO do hold a will 1823 John PENROSE Widow of Bradoc (Think that should be Joan widow of John Penrose) Could be very interesting  You are going have to get that one for sure.
Kris
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