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Topic: COMPLETED - WITH THANKS TO GILLG - Cirencester PR lookup please - Thomas PAGET (Read 130 times)
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ucdom
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Hi
I'm looking for the baptism of Thomas Paget in Cirencester ca. 1814-1817.
I don't know who his parents were, but he was a stableman or groom - so that may be connected to father's occupation (or not).
Many thanks
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I'll see what I can find out for you on my next visit to Gloucester RO, probably end of this week or early next week.
Gillg
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Hi Gillg
Thanks - much appreciated. If it's a help, Thomas Paget married Sarah Hignell, 18 Feb 1837 at Fairford St. Mary.
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Thomas Pagett (sic), son of Benjamin and Ann was born 15 April 1816 and baptised 23 Aug 1816. Benjamin was described as a "servant".
I also found other children of Benjamin and Ann:
Mary born 10 Dec 1813 bapt 26 Jan 1814
Thomas born 13 Apr 1816 bapt 23 Aug 1816
Ann born 7 Jan 1819 bapt 9 Jul 1819
James born 16 Oct 1823 bapt 31 Dec 1823
There was another Pagett family in Cirencester at that time belonging to James and Sarah :
Elizabeth born 29 Apr 1819 bapt 9 Jul 1819
George born 10 Sep 1815 bapt 8 Nov 1815
Emma born 3 Jan 1825 bapt 3 Oct 1825
Martha born 23 Jul 1826 bapt 24 Aug 1826 (must have died in infancy)
Martha born 22 Sep 1827 bapt 24 Oct 1827
Ellen born 22 Oct 1829 bapt 27 Nov 1829
Charlotte born 4 Jan 1833 bapt 30 Jan 1833
James was a Slater and Plasterer.
Also Joseph and Priscilla:
Peter born 9? Jan 1816 bapt 3 Mar 1816
Sarah born 28 Jan 1819 bapt 21 Feb 1819
Joseph was a shepherd.
And finally there was the parish clerk Henry Pagett and his wife Elizabeth whose daughter Elizabeth Olive was born 1 April 1833 and baptised 30 May 1833.
That should keep you busy for a while.  I searched the Cirencester registers for 1808-1835.
Gillg
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Hi Gillg
THANKYOU!! 
I've done a quick follow up on that info, and I have another quick question for you (if I might take the liberty) or for anyone else who fancies having a go.
Benjamin Pagett appears to have died before the 1841 census, but I found Ann (aged 57), Mary (25), Ann (21), and James (17).
But then I located James in the 1851 census returns, in London, living with his 'brother' Charles Pagett. James (27) is a 'groom' (as was Thomas) and Charles (30) a store keeper; place of birth for both is given as 'Cirencester'.
Charles' children are Lucy, Charles, Sarah and Frederick.
This naming pattern interests me because Thomas' children also included a Charles (the eldest son) and a Frederick.
So, I suspect that Charles (born ca. 1821) must also have been Thomas' brother. Did you happen to find a Charles baptism??
I wonder also if anyone could locate the marriage of Benjamin Pagett to Ann, and their burials (Ben before 1841) and Ann either in 1843 or 1848.
Thanks again - as you say, a lot to think about!!!
Andrew
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Hi Andrew
I'm glad this ties in with some of the information you had, but there's always another lead to follow up, isn't there? I guess I could have missed Charles c 1821 - there's always the danger of eye fatigue setting in after a couple of hours, and nobody's perfect! I did say that I had searched the PR up to 1820, which was clearly nonsense, since I had entries up to 1833, but I've corrected that now. 
I'll be in the RO again next week, so will try again for Charles' baptism, and have a look in the Marriage Index for Benjamin and Ann, also for their burials, which look likely to be in Cirencester, don't you think? Certainly there is an Ann's death in Mar qtr 1843 in Cirencester which is worth following up to see what age she was.
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Hi Gillg
That would be great if you could find some of those other entries. I know what you mean about eye strain - I worked through the PR of North Lopham a while back - faded ink against brown vellum, in latin; I started imagining people's names in the end.
A bit of added info which I think ties it all together - Charles' eldest son was Charles Benjamin Pagett (born 4Q 1844).
I think you're right that the burial would have been in Cirencester - though I can' be sure of the marriage - might have been in Ann's parish if she was from somewhere else. I've found nothing in Boyd's marriage index.
There are two possible Cirencester RD entries for Ann's death, 1Q 1843 (when she would have been ~59) and 4Q 1848 (aged ~65). There is also an entry for Benjamin in 2Q 1841; since the census was held on 6 June and he isn't there, I'm guessing the death was in April or May of 1841 (when he would have been about 61).
Well, thanks again in advance.
Andrew
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Andrew
Should be back at the RO next week, so will see what I can find.
Gillg
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Hi Andrew
Success! I have now found Charles Pagett born 16 Apr 1821 bapt 5 Sept 1821 Cirencester. Don't know why I missed it before - there isn't even a splodge of ink to use an excuse.
Also found Benjamin & Ann's marriage:
Benjamin Pagett bachelor of this parish and Ann Morris spinster of this parish married by Banns 23 Jan 1813 Cirencester.
Assistant curate James Gansby
Witnesses P.M.Stevens (clerk, I think, as he signs other entries) and Thomas Pagett.
Benjamin and Ann both signed. His handwriting was nice and clear, hers a bit shaky. Thomas Pagett wrote in a good firm hand.
I also found a marriage for Thomas Pagett, bachelor and Hester Brewer widow, both of this parish on 27 Mar 1804. The signature looked similar to that of Thomas on B & A's marriage entry. An older brother, perhaps?
Now, here are some Pagett burials, among them your Benjamin & Ann:
Sarah dau of James & Sara age 15 30 Oct 1838
Benjamin of Thomas Street 10 Apr 1841 age 61
Henry of Gloucester Street, parish clerk from 1810, Feast of St John Evangelist (27 Dec) 1842 age 71
Hester of Sheep Street 11 Feb 1844 age 64
Thomas Pagett Turner of Cricklade Street 2 Jul 1844 age 61
Ann of Thomas Street 28 Oct 1848 age 67
I looked several times for the record of Ann who died in 1843, but she wasn't in the Cirencester register, so concluded that she must have been the wrong Ann, and was buried elsewhere. This was really confirmed, when I looked at the 1848 burial and saw that the address matched Benjamin's. Hope you agree.
Let me know if you have any other leads to follow up and I'll do my best.
Gillg
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Hi Gillg
That's fantastic - well done!!
I located a descendent of Charles through Genesreunited, and she had his marriage certificate naming Benjamin as the father, and of course his son was Charles Benjamin.
The information you've provided for me has really helped push past a blockage I've had for a few years. I've been able to locate a number of wills and parish documents relating to these Pagetts on the Gloucester records office online catalogue, and I hope to order copies. There seems to be a will for Ben's father Thomas dated 1793, and some overseers records for 1782 and 1784 that should be interesting.
You'll be the first one I come to if I need more help; you've been so brilliant.
THANKYOU. 
Andrew
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Glad to be able to help, Andrew. Just wish I had some Gloucestershire ancestors of my own to look up - it's galling to live virtually next door to a RO, but for it to be the wrong one (mine are Lancs and Hunts)!
Gillg
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