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Topic: Marriage records for Riddings Independant Chapel, around 1863 (Read 338 times)
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meles
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Hi Whizzer
Can you narrow down the date of the marriage? We'll assume it was after 1862-3, but were there any children, who we will assume were born shortly after (or possibly before!  ) the marriage?
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Brock: Alburgh, Norfolk, and after 1850, London; Tooley: Norfolk Grimmer: Norfolk; Grimson: Norfolk Harrison: London; Pollock Dixon: Hampshire; Collins: Middx Jeary: Norfolk; Davison: Norfolk Rogers: London; Bartlett: London Drew: Kent; Alden: Hants Gamble: Yorkshire; Huntingford: East London Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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John Whysall marriage 1856 Riddings Independent Chapel spouse Mary Cresswell but this does not fit with birth dates
GRO REF is december 1856 Belper 7b 860
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This information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRidgway. Salop.Lancs.Stoke on Trent. Colclough.Ackley.Adams.Harris.James Longton Stoke on trent Staffs. Scholes.Collinge Middleton Lancs. Gogerty.Deavonporte Salop. |
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hi whizzer
welcome to rootschat
did john and mary have children-
sarah , francis , fred , james , and german
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kids are on 1881 census on igi this should help trace them on ancestry etc
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The children were probably baptised at the Independent Chapel, are the Registers available or have they been lost? mrswoman.
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kizmiaz
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Hi Whizzer
What conflicting info do you have for being unsure about Mary and John as Thomas' true parents? It all looks pretty reasonable as far as the census info goes.
There is a birth record for Thomas Whysall in 1866 if you want to order the certificate Details are Belper, Jun quarter 1866, Vol 7b Page 444
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i suggest that we might be chasing shadows here and duplicating research.
where does john whysall , mary cresswell , and thomas whysall info come from
and how accurate is it ?
whysall does not sound a common name
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Have you checked out the wirksworth parish reg site.
http://www.wirksworth.org.uk/frontpag.htm
there are Ripley area Whysall here plus a name of the person researching
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This information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRidgway. Salop.Lancs.Stoke on Trent. Colclough.Ackley.Adams.Harris.James Longton Stoke on trent Staffs. Scholes.Collinge Middleton Lancs. Gogerty.Deavonporte Salop. |
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Work does so get in the way of what's really important, doesn't it, Whizzer? 
Keep us posted on progress.
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HANNAH the wife of JAMES WHYZAL, d April 3rd 1771
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Hi Kizmiaz, yonderpeasant
Thanks for the GROs for Thomas's birth certificate and John&Mary marriage. I have ordered them so will wait to see what they reveal.
Ev,
I have my grandfather’s birth cert. 1891 giving his father Thomas Whysall, and notes from conversations with my parents 35 years ago showing Thomas' siblings German, Frederick and James. From family knowledge, Thomas married Sarah Mellars from Woodsetts, and there are references to Mary Cresswell..
In 1891 census at Wales Waleswood Collliery Row Thomas head M 26 coal miner b Derby, Waingroves; Sarah wife M 18 b Yorks, Woodsetts
I have census records for John & Mary 1861, 1871, 1881.
On 1881 census at Aston Ter Aston cum Aughton, John head 48 coal miner b Hartshay, Mary wife 45 b Denby, Frank son 22 coal miner b Green Hillocks, Susana dau 18 b Waingroves, Thomas son 15 coal miner b Waingroves, Frederick son 11 scholar b Waingroves, James son 9 scholar b Waingroves, German son 7 scholar b Waingroves.
In 1871 census at Pentrich Waingroves, John Head Coal miner 34 b Ripley, Mary Wife Coal miners wife 35 b Denby, Francis son coal miner 12 b Ripley, Susannah 6 scholar b Pentrich, Thomas son 3 scholar b Pentrich, Frederick son 1 b Pentrich
On 1861 census at Woodside Ripley, John head 29 coal miner b Ripley, Mary wife 25 b Denby, Sarah dau 5 scholar b Ripley, Francis son 2 scholar b Ripley.
Additionally I now have the marriage in 1856 of John Whysall & Mary Cresswell at Riddings Chapel (certificate awaited). This would just fit with birth of Sarah - but what happens to Sarah after this? She never seems to be mentioned again, does she die?
You’ll see the discrepancies on the 1871 census - I had previously discounted this as 'no match', and I did wonder whether this gave rise to a different John & Mary, but what do you all think?
Research by others on this Whysall line give Thomas’s parents John & Mary, years of birth about 10 years earlier, which is why I wanted to verify for myself as far as possible the link between Thomas and his ancesters.
Having Thomas’ baptism would be very helpful as being in a non-conformist church, they might even have his mother’s maiden name. Can anyone help me with this lookup?
Thanks to all for helping.
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Additionally I now have the marriage in 1856 of John Whysall & Mary Cresswell at Riddings Chapel (certificate awaited). This would just fit with birth of Sarah - but what happens to Sarah after this? She never seems to be mentioned again, does she die?
Hi Whizzer,
FreeBMD has a death for a Sarah Whysall who was born in 1856. Her death was registered in Belper district in 1867. Full details are: Jun quarter 1867, Belper, age 11, Vol 7b Page 268
[I'm slightly confused about the dates of birth you give for Mary CRESSWELL (b.1844, "House Wife") and John WHYSALL (b.1843; Collier). Where are these dates from? The census returns you have given don't indicate these as dates of birth, so is there another source?]
Looking at the evidence from the censuses, it looks extremely likely that this John and Mary are the correct parents for Thomas Whysall (b. 1866). The 1871 census discrepencies could easily be dismissed as incorrect transciption from the enumerators original notes when copied to the census form. An age of 39 written down in a shaky hand could easily be read as 34, and Thomas' 3 years old could have originally read as 5.
Hope this helps
Glen
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. Unfortunately have no time to work on it all again until weekend. 