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jmg1893
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I am trying to find out more detail on my ancestor James Gordon who married Margaret Queen at Lonside parish on 3rd Aug 1850. The on line record merely shows their date of marriage and that both were from the parish.
I've tried looking for his birth but the parish marriage record doesn't record his date of birth or that of Margaret, no parents details.
What's the next step for me?
Thanks in advance
Jim
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Hello, Welcome to the insanity that is family history research. If it was me, on Scotlands People, (www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk ) or better still a local Registrars with access to all of Scotlands BMD (assuming that you live in Scotland), I'd search for children from 1850 to 1870. Then to get James and Margarets age and parents names, you'd have to search for their deaths. This info will be given after 1855 on the death certs. If they'd been married after 1855 the info you're looking for would have been on the marriage certs. Also give a ty to the census records. I hope that makes sense. If not please get back to the board.
Regards, Steve :O)
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McDonald originating in Aberlour. Smith (Aberdeenshire/Aberdeen), Esslemont, Christie, Robbie; Scott (in Aberdour). Crosbie and Willison. Roxburgh: Lawrie, Thomson, Paxton, Peacock, Amos, Robson
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Hi Jim,
This looks like your family in 1861:
Residence: 8 Ellis St, Peterhead, Aberdeenshire
James Gordon, m, head, 28, labourer tanner, Strichen, Aberdeenshire
Margaret ", f, wife, 30, tanners wife, Glasgow, Lanarkshire
James ", m, son, 10, scholar, Peterhead, Aberdeenshire
Margaret ", f, dau., 8, -, Peterhead, Aberdeenshire
Alexander ", m, son, 4, -, Peterhead, Aberdeenshire
Isabella ", f, dau., 2, -, Peterhead, Aberdeenshire
Catherine Kennan, f, mother-in-law, 60, pauper (farm servt), Ireland
As Steve said, the only way to confirm James and Margaret's parents are through their death certificates, providing the informant knew the details. I wonder if Kennan (Catherine's name above) is supposed to be Queen? Or perhaps it is her maiden name, which she lived under after her husband died? 
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hume24
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Interesting 1851 entry for the Gordons. Change of birthplace for James and Catherine. Also note the relationship status of Catherine! 
Residence: Berryden, Peterhead, Aberdeenshire
James Gordon, m, head, mar., 22, labourer, Tyrie, Aberdeenshire
Margt ", f, wife, mar., 23, labourer's wife, Glasgow, Aberdeenshire (??)
James ", m, son, -, 9 months, infant, Peterhead, Aberdeenshire
Catherine Hennen, f, mother-in-law, unmar., 54, bedrid pauper, Glasgow, Aberdeenshire (??)
(Relationship status from FreeCen)
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jmg1893
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Thank you both for taking the time to reply. I've just started researching and already have started to find it addictive. I take it that's its not unusual to have James recorded in one census as being born in Tyrie, Aberdeenshire and from Strichen, Aberdeenshire in another. I've searched OPR's for both parishes but cannot find James record of birth.
It's interesting seeing the occupations change over the decades from Farm Labourers to moving to Dundee and being Railway labourers and the women Jute Weavers. Now its IT consultants..
Thanks again for your replies.
Jim
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Hello Jim
Am aware that you're searching for James Gordons parents. However, I take it that you're aware that he had 8 children.
I’ve been on to www.familysearch.org - run by the Mormons - free searching brings up the following children of James Gordon and Margaret Queen.
Go to the site. Click the ‘search’ tab. Fill in James Gordon and Margaret Queen as parents. Then press ‘search’ Then scroll down to no 76. from there to no. 83 are their children.
You can now go to Scotlands People and should be able to get copies of their birth entries. Pre 1855 - you'll get a bare entry. Much more info for the births after that.
Some other advice I can give if not already using - get some family history software or download the free software from the above. I’ve no connection to either site . Good night. Regards, Steve :O)
ANN LUCY PAUL GORDON
Birth: 10 APR 1864 Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
JOHN GORDON
Birth: 28 DEC 1861 Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
ISABELLA GORDON
Birth: 26 JUN 1859 Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
CHARLES GORDON
Birth: 22 NOV 1866 Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
JAMES GORDON
Christening: 14 JAN 1851 Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
ALEXANDER GREIG GORDON
Birth: 13 NOV 1854 Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
ALEXANDER GORDON
Birth: 01 JAN 1857 Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
MARGARET GORDON
Christening: 09 JAN 1853 Saint Fergus, Banff, Scotland
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McDonald originating in Aberlour. Smith (Aberdeenshire/Aberdeen), Esslemont, Christie, Robbie; Scott (in Aberdour). Crosbie and Willison. Roxburgh: Lawrie, Thomson, Paxton, Peacock, Amos, Robson
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Steve,
Thanks, I've sent for Family Tree maker from Amazon. I've found James bn 8th Nov 1850 entry in the OPR. I saw details of 4 children on the 1861 census, but 8 children puts my one son in the shade a bit 
I have another relative William who was born around 1872 and later married Mary McCulloch in Dundee in 1897. I've got a copy of the marriage certificate which shows James and Margaret Queen as parents. It’s from William that I'm descended and my son which I've named James.
Thanks for the info regarding the familysearch site.
I've looked at Ann's birth certificate which reveals that in 1864 the family had moved to 62 longate, Peterhead. The 1871 census shows the family at 42 Ugie Street, Peterhead. Confusingly for me it shows the occupants as
James aged 49
mary Wife aged 45 ?
mary Dau aged 18
Margaret dau aged 16
hannah dau aged 13 years ?
isabella dau aged 10
Jane ann aged 5
William aged 3 [could this be months?]
Jim
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Hello Jim,
I'd bow to Hume24 or anyone with access to census records - if you compare your census records with the previous ones - esp the 1861.
Wifes name for a start is different and she is now younger rather than older.
I'd also have expected John b.1861, Charles born 1866, Alexander, b. 1857 (maybe), Ann Lucy Paul b. 1864, to still be at home.
Is this the correct family - or has there been a re-marriage? - but you still have too many anomalies to have this as the correct family - I think. More digging for you to do. Got to go.
Have a good night. Regards, Steve :O)
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Hi Jim and Steve,
I don't think that's your family in 1871, Jim. It looks like the parents are James Gordon and Mary McGarrol. I think this is them; they've obviously got their birthplaces a bit confused! Took me a while to find them.
Residence: 45 ?, Dundee, Angus
James Gordon, m, head, 40, labourer, Glasgow
Margaret ", f, wife, 43, -, Glasgow
Alexander ", m, son, 15, mill worker, Shire, Aberdeen
Isabella ", f, dau., 13, mill worker, Peterhead
John ", m, son, 9, scholar, Peterhead
Ann ", m, dau., 7, scholar, Peterhead
Charles ", m, son, 5, scholar, Peterhead
William ", m, son, 2, -, Aberdeen
Note that William's birth is listed with parents James Gordon and Margaret Quin. They love their spelling variations. 
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And the family in 1881 ...
Residence: 53 Church St, Dundee, Angus
James Gordon, m, head, 52, road labourer, Strichen, Aberdeenshire
Margaret ", f, wife, 52, -, Glasgow, Lanarkshire
John ", m, son, 19, jute mill labourer, Peterhead, Aberdeenshire
Ann ", f, dau., 16, jute spinner, Peterhead, Aberdeenshire
Charles ", m, son, 14, jute hackle machinist, Peterhead, Aberdeenshire
William ", m, son, 11, jute hackle half timer, Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire
I'll post 1891 and 1901 tomorrow (well, today, actually!), if you need them. 
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Hume24,
Thanks for the information. Unfortuantely as I have found out if you throw a stick in the North East of Scotland you'll hit someone with the surname Gordon, and the chances are his forename willl be James!
When Wlliam married Mary McCulloch [registered 1/1/1897] Williams address was 172 Hawkhill, Dundee. The brides father was noted as being deceased on the certificate, but James Gordon was annotated as Labourer. So still alive
Any help will be greatfully appreciated.
Steve, Thanks for your help also I've wondered about things lke re marriage also as on some certificates it shows Margaret as being named nee Queen and on other forms seems to be named Quinn, most likley though a spelling error. Thanks again to you both
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Hi Jim,
As you know, James is still living in 1891, as is Margaret. William is living with them at 104 Caldrum Street, Dundee. I've looked for them in 1901, but can only find this possible for Margaret. It's a confusing entry, as she's on her own! It's possible, however, that Ancestry have taken a W for Wife, instead of widow? Only a guess, I'm afraid.
Residence: 27 Elizabeth Street, Dundee
Margaret Gordon, f, wife, 70, -, Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Looks like Margaret (Gordon, other name: Quinn) died 1911, aged 80, in Dundee. Her death certificate should help you with her parents (provided the informant knew them) and tell you whether James was deceased at the time.
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As you can see from my lack of posting I've been busy for the last few months working on my dissertation and have only just got back into researching the family.
I think I found James Gordon's death certificate. He appears to have died on 8th July 1901 as a result of cancer of the mouth. I'm continuing my search on another thread.
Thanks for everyone's help so far.
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