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Topic: Hastings....Stratford Place vs White Rock (Read 1941 times)
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UncleLarry
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Could someone familiar with Hastings enlighten me.....I am researching a business that was located at 4 Stratford Place in Hastings, from about 1861 to about 1883/1884 at which time it was moved to 39 White Rock, or so I thought. This evening when "wandering around" the 'Post Office Directory of Sussex 1878', on page 3256 it says.....and I quote "James Foord, 4 Stratford Place, White Rock, Hastings". I am confused, would appreciate if anyone could straighten me out. And while we are at it, should St Leonards be considered "within" Hastings?
Thanks in advance, very much.........from Canada.....Larry Foord
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Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Larry
Welcome to Rootschat and especially the Sussex Forums which we think is the best one here on rootschat - lets hope we can help you in your quest for ancestors.
Yes, Stratford Place is a continuation of White Rock Road up to the junction of Robertson Street. I am pretty sure that by 1881, the street had been renumbered and think that No 4 Stratford Place became No 39 White Rock, - anyway, Stratford Place had dissappeared.
Up to about 1881, Rock & Co were Coachmakers in Stratford Place - very well known business that built carraiges for Queen Victoria, but in the 1881 directory they are at No 40 White Rock Place - White Rock ended at No 43 and then became Robertson Street.
Will search my archives for a map to try and download for you.
And while we are at it, should St Leonards be considered "within" Hastings?
Yes, after they knocked the dividing archway down between St Leonards and Hastings in the middle of the night, (Council workmen demolished the stone secretly overnight in 1895, much to the horror of local residents. All that remains of the arch today is a large piece of granite by the roadside) the two communities joined.
Chris in 1066
NB. Just read in Historic Hastings that "White Rock was formerly called Stratford Place"
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Hi again
Found these entries in the trade directories of 1852 - 1858 - probably just before your ancestors moved there
Dressmaker & Milliner.
Mme Victorine Winsor, 4 Stratford place (b. Paris 1803, married to an out-of-business tradesman; 4 daughters)
Isabella Winsor, 4 Stratford place
1862 Post Office Directory
Ford Jas, watchmaker & Jeweller, 4 Stratford Place, White Rock
1866 Post Office Directory
Foord James,Watchmaker, jeweller & Silversmith, 4 Stratford Place, White Rock
1872 Parsons Directory
Foord James, 4 Stratford Place - Watch & Clock Maker
I notice by the time of the 1881 Street Directory - 39 White Rock is still a Gold & Silversmith, but under the name of Sydney Allen.
Chris in 1066
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Hi Larry
Found this picture in my archives - the archway belongs to Rock & Co at No 40 White Rock, therefore the building on its left must be your ancestors shop at No 39.
Straight ahead is Robertson Street and turn to the right is Carlisle parade.
I believe you can just make out a name above the door which does not look like Foorde - anyway, the tram dates the picture to after 1903
Hope that helps
Chris in 1066
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Larry
Guess what - I have just found an advert in one of the old directories from James Foord.
Will try to scan it and attach it to this message
Chris in 1066
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First.....talk about above and beyond the call of duty! I am extremely grateful, and frankly just super excited to get the postcard. Thank you very very much. As to the address change, that solidifies my specualtion, and the card and your comments help me finalize some data. I do have a website for him with a lot of detail and am going to include the photograph (I assume copyright issues have long since expired); this will appear in a few weeks and will post a notice here. If bychance the postcard and advert (it does not appear in the post?) is larger than the attachment here in the forum, could you email them to me at: (e-mail removed to prevent spamming - please send by private message - Global Moderator)
Second...the 1881 entry for Sydney Allen is a bit of a mystery since (to the best of my knowledge the store was active until at least 1888. James died in 1883, and the store continued to by run by his wife and/or son James B Foord. I must do some more digging.
Again my deepest thanks.........Larry
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Chris......ooops, the advert scan did come through. I think perhaps since it was a .tif it didn't reproduce in the post, however I was able to click on it and download it. And it is so cool, I am going to include it in the website also. Gosh, life can be so exciting some days!
Thanks again (and again).........Larry
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Glad to be of help to you in your research.
Hey, isnt it great, you can now say on your website that he was watchmaker to the Prince of Wales - wow
Am keeping my eyes open for more info or pictures for you
Chris in 1066
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Hi Again
I notice from the Burial Registers that he died in Dec 1883 and is interred in Section A of the cemetery -do you know if there is a gravestone.
As I live just across the road from the cemetery, it would not be a problem to go and have a look and take a photograph of it if there was.
Chris in 1066
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I don't know if there is a gravestone or not, I would guess that since he was in business and 'probably' was somewhat affluent, that he might have one. If it's convenient, that is without walking the whole place or whatever, that would be great to have that picture too. Obviously if you run into more adverts or whatever, I would be love to have theml. Also, to forewarn you, as bizarre as this sounds, there is another Foord watchmaker......his name is Alfred George Foord, and he operated from 14 Queens Road, Hastings, from about 1884 to 1917. I just found this out a little while ago and am also working to confirm the little info I have, and to try to see if the two are connected. While Foord (with two Os) is uncommon here (I am in Canada) it is somewhat common in the UK, but primarly in Sussex and Kent (I know I have a direction connection in Kent). However, how common is it that there are two Foords as watchmakers in Hastings in the same time frame? They must be related! And to further blow your mind, my occupation is (retired) watchmaker. Sorry for such more babbling, you just have got me so excited!
Thanks, Larry
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Larry
When my wife and I started our family histories back in 1989 we learnt that an ancestor of my wifes was also a watch and clock maker in Burnley, Lancashire by the name of Blakeborough (Richard born 1778 at Pately Bridge in Yorkshire) in the early 1800's and then in Otley / Ilkley in Yorkshire
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,1960.msg1246202.html#msg1246202
Small world isnt it
Chris in 1066
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Small indeed. If your genealogy pursuits go back to 1989, as do mine, you will remember the pre-internet days. Mailing letters etc, boy how things have changed! And for the better I would say, although some might disagree. Regardless Chris, you've made my day!
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Hi Larry
Went down town today to take some pictures of 39 white Rock place - i have quite a bit of news for you concerning the building - but got to take my youngest daughter to St Johns Ambulance cadets and my eldest to football training as she plays for Hastings Borough Ladies Football Team - so will not be back on till later this evening
See you then
Chris in 1066
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Wow, can hardly wait Chris. The bad news is that I am out of town until Saturday, but will be waiting with baited breath! And again, what can say......thanks just seems so insignificant!
Larry
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Hi Larry
As I said earlier I went down town today to see what is happening to No 39.
As you can see from the picture No 38, 39, 40 etc are being coverted into high class flats; but as parts of the buildings are listed, they can only do so much alterations.
I got talking to the foreman on the site and went and had a look inside No 40, but 38 and 39 were unsafe for me to enter - but the foreman promised to let me in, look around and take photographs in the very near future.
So more than likely I will be able to get inside the building that your ancestors lived in- but I dont suppose the interior will bear any resemblance of what it was like in the 1800's
So keep an eye on this space
Chris in 1066
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