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Topic: Info needed on Mary Ann TAYLOR 1868"Completed With Thanks" (Read 271 times)
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rubygemstone
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Hi Everyone,
I have a Mary Ann Taylor B:1868 Kilburn, Derbyshire married to Edward Lambert b:1863 willenhall, staffs.
I'm actually looking for Mary's parent's, on her marriage certificate it says Martin Taylor b:ABT 1840
area of birth unknown but it says he was a labourer plus any census information on the parent's plus sibling's to mary.
Kind Regards
Ruby 
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Duncombe's, Squire's, Dowen's, Tuckley's, Hartill's, Brant's, Butler's, Parkes, Perry's, Southwick's, Tarbuck's, Teece, Whitehouse's.
These names cover from willenhall and all of staffordshire.
Plus other surnames connected to them.
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ninakin
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Hi Ruby,
There's a Mary Ann Taylor b. 1867, Kilbourne, Derbyshire in the 1871 census. She's listed under Hannah Taylor, 27, Tailoress, also born Kilbourne and Ada Taylor, 2, born Belper, Derbyshire. They are all listed as inmates at the District Union Workhouse, Bridge Hill, Derbyshire. Could this be the right one?
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rubygemstone
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Hi Ninakin,
Mary Taylor had 2 sibling's as i know to, they are Annie b:1865 Horseley, Derbyshire and John B:1870 Horseley, Derbyshire and i was told by someone the mother was Eliza (unknown) b:abt
1844 Horseley, Derbyshire but i want to make sure by proper census look ups.
I'm not sure if they are the one's you mentioned.
Ruby
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Duncombe's, Squire's, Dowen's, Tuckley's, Hartill's, Brant's, Butler's, Parkes, Perry's, Southwick's, Tarbuck's, Teece, Whitehouse's.
These names cover from willenhall and all of staffordshire.
Plus other surnames connected to them.
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suzard
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Hi,
I found hannah and children in the workhouse, but i think it looks more likeley martin taylor may have been her grandfather?
I can find no martin Taylor b 1840 -there is one b. 1849, but it looks like he died the same year as he was born.
It is very unusual to have the bride's father's age on the marriage cert??
What do you think of this ??
(if it is your mary Ann then there is a whole lot of family living close by!)
1861
Horsley St
Horsley
Derbys
james Taylor head 61 M Turnpike Rd labourer
mary wife 65
herbert son U 27 Colliery labourer
next door
MARTIN TAYLOR head W 42 Ag lab
William son U 21 Brick yard lab
ELIZA daughter U 17 Housekeeper
martha daughter U 14
james son 13 ag lab
Sarah daughter 10
matilda daughter 8
mary daughter 4
next door
George taylor head 30 ag lab
Elizabeth wife 32 Seamstress Kilburn
George son 9 scholar
James son 6 scholar
John son 2
Catherine harrison Wife's mother W 60
William harrison wife's bro U 25 Coal miner
all b Horsley unless stated otherwise
RG9
2508 9 12
Martin died 1870
1871
Horsley Woodhouse
ELIZA TAYLOR head U 27 Horsley
Martha sister U 25 Horsley
Matilda sister U 13 Horsley
Mary sister U 13 Horsley
Annie daughter 6 Horsley
MARY ANN daughter 3 Kilbourne
John son 7mths Horsley Woodhouse
RG10 3580 44 19
Kilbourne is the same place as Kilburn
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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suzard
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1881 - there is a mary Ann Taylor of a similar age b. Kiburn who is a servant -but I suspect this is the mary Ann who was in the workhouse with mother hannah in 1871
i think your mary Ann is with her mother and siblings (and Aunts) and is listed as Ann
1881
Woolleys lane
Kilburn
Eliza Taylor head U 36 Washerwoman
Martha sister U 25 Pottery Woman
ANN daughter U 15 Pottery Girl
John son 10 Scholar
Ada daughter 7
Joseph son 4
William son 1
all b Kilburn
Horley (Woodhouse) and Kilburn are next to each other -and the reg district for this area is belper
Suz
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rubygemstone
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Hi Suz,
You've got them with that 1871 census, i put the father as being roughly 1840, is there any info on the father as well please and i'll be very greatful at what you can find and send through for me.
Kind Regards
Ruby
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Duncombe's, Squire's, Dowen's, Tuckley's, Hartill's, Brant's, Butler's, Parkes, Perry's, Southwick's, Tarbuck's, Teece, Whitehouse's.
These names cover from willenhall and all of staffordshire.
Plus other surnames connected to them.
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rubygemstone
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Hi Suz,
In the 1871 census you have Mary Ann (Kilbourne) but you don't have her as a daughter and she's not showing in the 1881 census, just ann or annie who's in the 1871 and 1881 census's classed as her daughter plus there's still young sibling's in the 1881 census does it show who she was having the children with, as Martin could be wrong if the children are still going as Taylor's
Ruby
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Duncombe's, Squire's, Dowen's, Tuckley's, Hartill's, Brant's, Butler's, Parkes, Perry's, Southwick's, Tarbuck's, Teece, Whitehouse's.
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Plus other surnames connected to them.
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suzard
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Hi Ruby,
The more I look at this family, the more possible it becomes for mary Ann to have put her Grandfather as her father on the marriage cert
It looks like mary Ann was with her mother and siblings in 1881-and going by the name of Ann -which is not unusual - I think her grandmother was called Ann-but will go further back later.
it looks a possibility that mary Anne's father was John Copestake!!!
Hope you can follow this
Marriage Ju qtr 1889
mansfield district
John Copestake
Eliza taylor
7b 112
here they are in 1891 with all the children now called Copestake
1891
Bill Hill
South Normanton derbys
(mansfield reg district)
John Copesteak Head M 37 Coal miner Hasland Derbys
Eliza Copestake wife 47 Horsley Derbys
Joseph Copestake son 14 Kilbourne derbys
William Copestake son 11 Kilbourne derbys
Arthur Copestake son 7 Kilbourne Derbys
RG12 2651 44 29
in 1871 John Copestake was living in Horsley and working as a servant
1881
John Copestake was a lodger in S Normanton and also loding in the same house was a lambert b. Willenhall Staffs!!!!
I'll post full details
Suz
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suzard
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Sorry forgot to put mary Ann DAUGHTER in 1871 -have modified
You are quite right it will be daughter Annie who is listed as Ann in 1881-so mary Ann who is a servant nearby is possibly your mary Ann
Glad you are able to follow me!!!!
Will post the other census now
Suz
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rubygemstone
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Suz,
I'm following it slowly, why is'nt Mary Ann in the 1891 census if they're coming through right on the census's
Ruby
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rubygemstone
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Suz,
Is it possible you could answer this question for me please, if the mother Eliza got married to john
Copestake, was the children carrying their mother's surname previously, then took the name Copestake after they got married.
Ruby
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First I'll give you John Copsestake
1871Horsley park Gate
Horsley Derbys
Hannah Rodgers head W 66 farmer of 46 acres employing 1man 1 boy Horsley
John Rodgers son U 33 Horsley
Mary Rodgers daughter U 33 horsley
John W Rodgers grandson 9 Scholar St Michaels derby
JOHN COPESTAKE servant U 18 Farm Servant Hulland Ward derbys
RG10 3579 9 11
1881
Blackwell Road
S normanton
Derbys
Thomas Fletcher head m 39 Coal Miner Ripley Derbys
Mary A wife 38 belper Derbys
Thomas son 17 Belper
Joseph son 14 Ripley
hannah daughter 11 Ripley
Ellen daughter 8 Ripley
John son 6Ripley
George son 3 S Normanton
mary A daughter 1 S Normanton
JOHN COPESTAKE Boarder U 29 Coal miner Brailsford derbys
EDWARD LAMBERT Boarder U 23 Coal miner Willenhall Staffs
Joseph Shore Boarder Heage Derbys
(wonder if Edward lambert was related to the Edward mary Ann married??)Rg11 3313 126 40
now for mary Ann
1881
Kilburn Rd Kilburn
Derbys
George Gibson head 47 Farmer 81 acres Littleover Derbys
Ann Gibson wife 47 Littleover
John Gibson son 10 Kilburn
George Gibson son 8 Kilburn
MARY ANN TAYLOR servant 17 U General Servant Kilburn
Charles Webster Servant U 17 Indoor farm servant
RG11 3410 88 4
1891
Victoria Street
S Normanton
derbys
Edward lambert head 28 Coal miner Walton hall Staffs
MARY A LAMBERT wife 23 Kilburn derbys
Thomas E lambert son 8 mths Stonebroom Derbys
RG12 2651 24 42
I'll see where they are in 1901 -do you want me to go back to mary Anns grandparents??
Suz
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As Eliza was not married when she had most of her children (and although it looks a strong possibility that John Copestake was the father -no prrof tho) the childrens births would be registered in their mother's maiden name i.e. Taylor.
It is quite common when a mother marries/remarries children are sometimes entered on the census with the name of the mother's new husband.
If the children had been entered on the census as Taylor -then their relationship to the head of the house would be entered as stepson. wife's son or son in law
Possibly the children used the Copestake name but when they married their certificate would give their name as Taylor -the name their birth was registered in.
Some of mine who were illegitimate took on their father's name (after parents married) -then they married usung mother's maiden name (the name on their birth reg) and then after marriage used their father's name -makes research very interesting!!!!
never rule out any possibility until you have really investigated it fully!!!!
Suz
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rubygemstone
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Suz,
That would be good of you please to get Mary Ann's Grandparent's please, Suz what i can't under stand are the census's for John Copestake, 1871 are in Rodger and the 1881 census are in Fletcher.
Ruby
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rubygemstone
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Suz,
I've grasped it now, he was a lodger at both address's and working as a servant,
Sorry my mistake.
Ruby
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