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hazel82
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I have researched my family to Hunstanworth Co Durham where around 1743 Joseph Murray married Mary Smith and lived at Holland House/Hall also refered to as "the barons", he was a farmer or Cattle Dealer. Does anyone know the location of this house?
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Murray- Ryton, Hunstanworth, Blyadon Co Durham, Perthshire Scotland
Cook-Sunderland, Grangetown, Middlesboro
Congerton - Normanby, Trimdon
Green - Kirby moorside, Eston, Guisbro
Comrie - Manchester, Scotland
Walker- Manchester
Hodges- Merthyr Tidfil, Cardiff Wales, Berrow Somerset
Dahill - Merthyr Tidfil Wales
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Rewcastle
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The nearest i've found is a Hollin Hall in Catton, Allendale just over the back form Hunstanworth. (walking distance in them days) 
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Just outside Ebchester on the back road there's a farm called the Hollins
Also over the past few days i've been looking at some docs/ Bishop's of Durham manuscripts from the 1100's to the 1600's and have come across a reference to Hollin's Hall. I'll have to rack my brain about it. 
Regards
Rewcastle
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hazel82
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Thank you so much for that piece of information. My ancesters are thought to have come from Tullibardine in Scotland 1715 but hit a brick wall at 1743, my ancestor Joseph Murray lived at Holland Hall near Hunstanworth but nobody has been able to find it! So it became a mistery where Joseph was born and if Holland Hall even existed!
You call it Hollins Hall, but I guess as it was 300 years ago the name could have been changed slightly, a chinese whispers kind of effect? Although it is said to be near Blanchland.
Kind Regards
Hazel Murray
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Murray- Ryton, Hunstanworth, Blyadon Co Durham, Perthshire Scotland
Cook-Sunderland, Grangetown, Middlesboro
Congerton - Normanby, Trimdon
Green - Kirby moorside, Eston, Guisbro
Comrie - Manchester, Scotland
Walker- Manchester
Hodges- Merthyr Tidfil, Cardiff Wales, Berrow Somerset
Dahill - Merthyr Tidfil Wales
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Rewcastle
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Just thinking, perhaps he came down with the Jacobites in the 15/45? There was a John Armstrong who preached to the Jacobites in the Allendale area. Many of the locals although protestants supported Lord Derwentwater from Dilston near Hexham who was the kings cousin.
I know that Murray in Scotland is like been called Smith in England, but like have you come across this on the Murray's of Tullibardine?
http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Lord_George_Murray
Perhaps that's why the Hall could have been known as 'The Barons'
Regards
Rewcastle
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hazel82
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I will look into the name Armstrong, my dad told me that some of the Scotish Clans were outlawed such as the "Macgreggor Clan" in the times of the Jacobite Rebellion and took on the names of other clans such as Murray especially as Murray is such a common name in the North East of England.
Yes I know of the Murray's of Tullibardine, where they Jacobites? There has been no direct link to the Murrays from Hunstanworth to Tullibardine other than a storry of the Murrays moving to County Durham from Perthshire around the time of the Jacobite rebellion that has been passed down for 300 years. I also know there were Jacobite deserters so maybe that is why there are no records?
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Murray- Ryton, Hunstanworth, Blyadon Co Durham, Perthshire Scotland
Cook-Sunderland, Grangetown, Middlesboro
Congerton - Normanby, Trimdon
Green - Kirby moorside, Eston, Guisbro
Comrie - Manchester, Scotland
Walker- Manchester
Hodges- Merthyr Tidfil, Cardiff Wales, Berrow Somerset
Dahill - Merthyr Tidfil Wales
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Rewcastle
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Oop's made a little mistake, it wasn't an Armstrong who preached to the Jacobites but Mr Patten. 
From the book Northumberland-Yesterday-and-To-day
http://www.fullbooks.com/Northumberland-Yesterday-and-To-day1.html
"Not far from the village of Catton, the name of "Rebel Hill" reminds us
that it was a vicar of Allendale, Mr. Patten, who joined young
Derwentwater in the rising of "The Fifteen," and was appointed chaplain
of the little army. He met some half-dozen men of the neighbourhood at
this hill, when they set off together to join the rest of the forces at
Wooler."
The Murray's of Tullibardine where Jacobites.
The other Hollin Hall's in the area were:
Hollin Hall just outside Bishop Auckland, which would be too far away in your case. Hollin Hall , Fir tree, Wolsingham, which would be too far away and The Hollin's outside Ebchester which would be too far away to be described as outside Blanchland/Hunstanworth.
This leaves the other Hollin Hall in Catton, Allendale which is more than likely the Holland's Hall that you have referred to, which locally is classed as near/just outside of Blanchland/Hunstanworth.
I have two theories why it may have been known as 'the Barons'
1) From the days when the Bishop of Durham granted the lands/Manor of Allendale which they became the Lords of the Manor, these were also known as Barons.
2) It may be that your Murray's may have decended from the Murray's of Tullibardine and were known locally as 'Barons'
Regards
Rewcastle
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