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Amanda Spikesbird
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I'm having huge trouble determining which ancestor is mine, and which is not. The ancestor is George Andrew Neill but he sometimes uses variations of the name, and is sometime referred to as Andrew George. I have found 2 possible candiates, both born in Hampshire, and in the same year 1853, which is when, or roughly when George was born. At some point before 1874 he moved to London St Pancras where he married Elizabeth Emily Giles. Does anyone have any information relating to these two lines?
Also, on one census he is noted as being born in Bradenstoke. Does anyone know where this is, or is it a typing error which should read Basingstoke?
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Amanda
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meles
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Bradenstoke is in Wiltshire, some 15 miles SW of Swindon.
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Brock: Alburgh, Norfolk, and after 1850, London; Tooley: Norfolk Grimmer: Norfolk; Grimson: Norfolk Harrison: London; Pollock Dixon: Hampshire; Collins: Middx Jeary: Norfolk; Davison: Norfolk Rogers: London; Bartlett: London Drew: Kent; Alden: Hants Gamble: Yorkshire; Huntingford: East London Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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meles
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I've searched for a George and an Andrew Neill born in Wiltshire, but with no success. There are some other Neills in the vicinity.
I wonder how he came up with that particular small village? He must have known it.
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Brock: Alburgh, Norfolk, and after 1850, London; Tooley: Norfolk Grimmer: Norfolk; Grimson: Norfolk Harrison: London; Pollock Dixon: Hampshire; Collins: Middx Jeary: Norfolk; Davison: Norfolk Rogers: London; Bartlett: London Drew: Kent; Alden: Hants Gamble: Yorkshire; Huntingford: East London Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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CatOne
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One way to be certain, is to order his marriage certificate which will hopefully name his father. Presumably, when you've found them on the censuses, they dont have fathers with the same name/occupation?
When did he marry Elizabeth?
In 1901 hes "ONeill" isn't he? Have you seen this George ONeill 1871 RG10/214 Folio 63 Page 23 St Pancras, father Jeremiah
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Little Nell
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Hi Amanda
Can you tell us what information you have found in each of the census for this chap (and his 'alter ego' ) - it would help perhaps work a few things out. Where does he say he was born? If always Wiltshire, then it is unlikely to be either of the two born in Hampshire. 
The marriage certificate with the father's name on it may be the best way forwards. Sometimes we do just have to cough up the money as the ony way.
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Amanda Spikesbird
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Thanks for your replies guys. He really is a perplexing chap. I have his marriage certificate. He married 17 June 1874. Here he recorded as Andrew George Neill, and he married Elizabeth Emily Giles. They are both shown as 21. He is a plumber, they are both lving at 5 Cromer St. His father is given as Henry Neill, plumber. Hers' as George Giles Pianoforte string maker. They married in st peters regent square, in middlesex.
The thing is on the 1871 census, I have found a George ONeill the right age, his father is Jeremiah, and they are living in the same house as Elizabeth Emily's family, the Giles. She is not there at that time though. Again, this is 5 Cromer Street. Here is the reference.
RG10/214 Folio 63 Page 23
I have found another George living in Hampshire with his parents Henry/Henery and Jane. So I am a bit confused.
I wondered if at this time, it was harder to find a job if you was Irish, or part Irish, so George dropped the O part of his name, and named his dad as Henry. Although I don't think Jeremniah is an Irish name as such. Or am I reading to much into it?
As with the Bradenstoke thing, I am not 100% sure. It says Bradenstoke, Hampshire, so I believe this may be a transcribers error or something. Here is the ref
RG13/ 140 Folio 11 Page 13.
In all the other censuses I have found him in, he is shown as coming from Hampshire. Looking at it again, I believe it may say Basingstoke.
Amanda
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I think it says Hants Basingstoke Confused enumerator! 
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In 1881, George and Elizabeth Neill are at 55 Cromer Road, aren't they? (Jeremiah and family at no. 5) Surely it must be this family, I see he has a brother Harry in 1871 (nickname for Henry, and hes "Henry" in 1881). Maybe the registrar put his brothers name in the father's place by mistake (they did this on my grandad's marriage certificate in the 1940s!)
Dont know how you'd confirm this though
In 1881 Marys, Jeremiah's wife, birthplace is also Basingstoke...
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In 1861, Andrew George is with Jeremiah and Mary RG9/112 Folio 74 Page 54
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