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Trapper
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Does anyone have any info on Annie Bailey, she married a Francis Sainsbury from Fordingbridge in 1876, I am trying to find out who her parents where and seem to have come to a dead end any info would be great
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according to the 1881 census of Fordingbridge, Hants - she was born in 1857 - in Fordingbridge ...
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – |
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Here she is as a nipper ..
1861 - RG9/669; Folio: 11; Page: 16 - Fordingbridge, Hants
Back Street
Mary Bailey 41 Head (cant work out if Unmarried or Wid) Washer Woman Fordingbridge
Matilda A Bailey 16 dau do
George Bailey 10 son Ag Lab do
Ann Bailey 5 dau do
Emma Bailey 4 dau do
Charles Collins 46 Lodger
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – |
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1851 - HO107/1667; Folio: 546; Page: 49 - Fordingbridge
Shaftesbury Street, Union (Work) House
William Dewson Head Governer of Union Workhouse
Frances Dewson Wife Matron
Mary Bailey Unmarried 30 Pauper Fordingbridge
Matilda Bailey 9
William Bailey 6
George Bailey 1
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – |
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Thanks for the info, but I am confused now if she was widowed/unmarried in in 1861 and a pauper with 3 children in 1851, she had two more children by 1861 still with the name Bailey can't get my head round it.
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Valda
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Marriages Mar 1865
Bailey Matilda Ann Fordingbridge 2b 749
Tiller James Frederick Fordingbridge 2b 749
This is Ann on the 1871 census wrongly given the surname Tiller
1871 census RG10 1182 folio 68
Back Street Fordingbridge Hampshire
James Tiller 27 Fordingbridge Hampshire Head Married Ag lab
Matilda Tiller 29 Fordingbridge Hampshire Head MarriedWife
Emma Tiller 5 Fordingbridge Hampshire Daughter
Sarah Tiller 4 Fordingbridge Hampshire Daughter
Annie Tiller 14 Fordingbridge Hampshire Sister-in-law Servant Domestic
plus 2 lodgers
a likely death registration for Ann's mother
Deaths Mar 1869
Bailey Mary 48 Fordingbridge 2b 397
Ann's birth certificate would confirm whether she was born illegitimate. The evidence from the censuses would indicate that she was.
A possible baptism for Mary's mother in Fordingbridge
9th October 1820
Mary Bailey
parent Ann
sibling
10th November 1815
James Bailey
parent Ann
birth registrations for Mary's children
Births Dec 1841
Bailey Matilda Ann Fordingbridge 8 161
either
Births Jun 1844
Bailey William Fordingbridge 8 164
or
Births Sep 1844
Bailey William Charles Fordingbridge 8 163
either
Births Mar 1849
BAILEY George Fordingbridge 8 193
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Births Mar 1850
Bailey George James Fordingbridge 8 169
possible
Births Jun 1856
Bailey Ann Fordingbridge 2b 512 (check this reference carefully to be sure the figures are correct)
not sure about Emma's birth registration
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Valda
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Thanks Valda your a star
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Sorry, thought the census indicated unmarried - good result overall too 
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – |
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Now I have to find Annie's father, here I go again 
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I have found a George Bailey b. 1823 wife Martha b.1830 can anyone check if this is the parents of Annie Bailey who married Francis William Sainsbury 1876, any help would be appreciated.
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Valda
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The census evidence seems to point to Ann Bailey being illegitimate. When illegitimate people married, if they could get away with it, for proprieties sake they often fudged their father's name and made sure he certainly had the same surname as their unknown. The first name they gave him might be correct or if they weren't sure they made up a name, usually one from within their family circle. Likewise the occupation they gave their father.
Information on marriage certificates should always be checked against other sources because basically it can be very unreliable. There were no checks in the system and unless you were known to the vicar or the registrar you could say whatever seemed reasonable with no-one questioning whether it was correct.
The censuses seem to indicate (unless you have found another Ann Bailey born Fordingbridge of the same age) that Ann's mother was called Mary and was unmarried. Ann's birth certificate (or baptism) would prove this one way or the other.
Other than what Ann chose to say on her marriage about her father have you any other evidence that Ann Bailey's father was actually called George Bailey?
This in the baptism of what from the census information appears to be Ann Bailey's older sister.
Matilda Ann Bailey
Christening: 31 OCT 1841 Fordingbridge, Hampshire
Mother: Mary Bailey
and a possible for Ann's birth. The certificate itself would give further details.
Births Jun 1856
Bailey Ann Fordingbridge 2b 512
I think this is the George and Martha Bailey in Hampshire (but not Fordingbridge) you expressed an interest in
1861 census RG9 668 folio 97
Ringwood Hampshire
George Bailey 38 Head Married Farmer of 12 acres
Martha Bailey 32 Wife Married
Eliza Ann Bailey 4 Daughter
James Henry Bailey 2 Son
Charles Bailey 2 Months Son
all born Ringwood
By 1871 they had moved to Hordle where George was a farmer of 22 acres and had a further children three children all born Hordle.
Alice 6
George 5
William 1
On the 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses in Fordingbridge Annie Sainsbury nee Bailey gave her birthplace consistently as Fordingbridge.
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Valda
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Thanks Valda, I will send off for her Birth Certificate.
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