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"Missing" Wife of West Hammer
« on: Sunday 04 November 07 19:26 GMT (UK) »
Could any of you kind folks find the maiden surname and any further information regarding E. E. MacKenzie, widow of Alexander MacKenzie?
Alexander was born 1887 St Saviours and married in 1910. He died from TB age 27 in 1914 at 59 Pond Road, West Ham.
The FreeBMD does not give the lady's name unfortunately...
Thanks!
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Re: "Missing" Wife of West Hammer
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 04 November 07 19:31 GMT (UK) »
Guess FreeBMD had a problem reading the page number   Tongue  will require a little investigation...

wait one ...  Wink
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: "Missing" Wife of West Hammer
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 04 November 07 19:32 GMT (UK) »
The original page looks pretty clear as page  410 ....

but no E.E female   Huh

Marriages Mar 1910 
 
CLARK  Ann Eliza    W. Ham  Vol 4a Page 410   
Giles  William Joseph     do do do
SCOTT  Harriet     do do
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: "Missing" Wife of West Hammer
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 04 November 07 19:36 GMT (UK) »
Page 418 ...

Hart  Edith Harriett     
Jay  Ellen
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: "Missing" Wife of West Hammer
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 04 November 07 19:38 GMT (UK) »
Page 416 - Lily and Hannah ....


dont see it being 419 ... but anyway, tis Gertrude and Dani~~


on the offchance of it being 413 ... altho I cant really see it !

SONGHURST  Ethel Eliza      W. Ham  Vol 4a Page413
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: "Missing" Wife of West Hammer
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 04 November 07 19:40 GMT (UK) »
Any children born before he died ?  we should be lucky if so, as Maiden name shown from 1911 ...

otherwise you'll have to get the Cert, or reevaluate those initials ?
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: "Missing" Wife of West Hammer
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 04 November 07 19:45 GMT (UK) »
Death cert clearly says "E. E"
I haven't tracked down any children...yet.
Looks like I will have to find the reference for the marriage certificate.
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Re: "Missing" Wife of West Hammer
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 04 November 07 19:48 GMT (UK) »
Hmmmmm names on the Index in West Ham are

BASS
WEBB
VILES
BOMFORD
BENNETT
NICHOLLS
GRUNDY
SAPSFORD
TIDY

&

CLARK

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There is an Alexander Mackenzie born 4Q1910 - before MMN on the index .....  Roll Eyes
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: "Missing" Wife of West Hammer
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 04 November 07 20:11 GMT (UK) »
At least I think I can rule out Miss Sapsford.
Mary Harriet Sapsford married Alexander's brother Charles in December 1910 at West Ham Register Office. They had two children Charles Henry and Kathleen Rosina.
I did see reference to an Alexander MacKenzie born West Ham June 1911 (4a 98), but have no further details.
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Re: "Missing" Wife of West Hammer
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 04 November 07 21:41 GMT (UK) »
Just a suggestion.
       Try the births on FreeBMD because the mothers surname is listed after Sept Q 1911.
They list up to 1921 for West Ham.



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Re: "Missing" Wife of West Hammer
« Reply #10 on: Monday 05 November 07 15:31 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Newf on Sunday 04 November 07 19:32 GMT (UK)
The original page looks pretty clear as page  410 ....

but no E.E female   Huh

Marriages Mar 1910 
 
CLARK  Ann Eliza    W. Ham  Vol 4a Page 410   
Giles  William Joseph     do do do
SCOTT  Harriet     do do


There is a daughter born to Mackenzie/Clark in
Westham 1913 J-S 4a 238 Ellen M MacKenzie.
this daughter died in 1914 A-J West Ham 4a 80 aged 0 (the same quarter as your Alexander)
might be worth while you applying for this childs death cert to see if she was a resident of 59 Pond Road.
If so your problem is solved.

Just because E.E Mackenzie was on the death cert does not mean she used those names to marry. I have come across it time and time again in my own family. They pick and choose what names they wish to use, not very helpful i know.

Maybe she was called Ann Eliza Ellen but then just chose to use Eliza Ellen or vice versa

i came across this marriage

Ellen E MacKenzie
1919 O-D
West Ham 4a 715
she married a George A GILL


Sorry it's not much help.

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