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draught horse records
« on: Monday 05 November 07 03:27 GMT (UK) »

This is going to sound a bit odd, but I was wondering if anyone out there would have knowledge of draught horses and how breeding records were kept. My grgrandfather had an "entire horse" he took around to neighbouring farms in the New Deer area, (late 1800.s) advertising of his visits in the local Public Houses. It would be interesting to know if blood lines were kept and who kept them. Any ideas? ???Lynne

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Re: draught horse records
« Reply #1 on: Monday 05 November 07 03:53 GMT (UK) »

Hi Lynne !

That's a fabulous photo ! ....

and that question isn't odd at all ! ......

Well I Googled and apart from the Irish horses ... I couldn't find too much ! maybe this will give you some ideas and take you further !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shire_horse

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« Reply #2 on: Monday 05 November 07 04:03 GMT (UK) »

Hi Annie

Thank you for the interesting website. I have always wanted to know about this mystery horse. We think he is the one who stepped on my grgrandfather and killed him. Reading about the size of these horses, I can see how that would happen! Lynne


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« Reply #3 on: Monday 05 November 07 04:12 GMT (UK) »

I was drawn to this post because my Mum used to love those big old boys and collected proper horse brasses !

Gosh I'm sorry to hear about the accident ..... but I bet if your Great Granddad was still around he'd say "it wasn't the horses fault " Undecided

Did he have a name ? maybe Googling his name might bring a result ! or maybe an email to the Shire Horse Society !

Annie

EDIT .... I just came across this maybe your next holidays ................. Roll Eyes

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« Reply #4 on: Monday 05 November 07 04:18 GMT (UK) »

I haven't been able to find anything on the horse. I've seen the stable where he was kept with the door enlarged. The story goes that my grgrandad tripped on his boot lace and this scared the horse who then reared up and trampled my unfortunate ancestor. That's why I'm trying to find out if anyone kept breeding records. Lynne


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« Reply #5 on: Monday 05 November 07 04:48 GMT (UK) »

Tell us some details maybe somebody can find a newspaper report ! Undecided


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« Reply #6 on: Monday 05 November 07 04:56 GMT (UK) »

I have the report of John Smith's death in the Fraserburgh Herald & Northern Counties Advertiser May 28, 1907 which reads "Groom Killed by Stallion" John Smith, groom and feuer, 136 High St New Pitsligo, received fatal injuries at Commonty Farm New Deer, on Tuesday. Smith who was in charge of an entire horse was taking the animal from the stable, when it pushed him over and put a hind hoof on his chest, causing such serious injury (I guess so!) that he lived only for half an hour afterwards." coroners report..."injuries sustained by being accidentally knocked down and trampled upon by an entire horse under his charge; per verdict of jury"

Not being knowledgeable on horse breeds, I can't tell if this horse is a Shire .


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« Reply #7 on: Monday 05 November 07 05:07 GMT (UK) »

I got all excited when I saw this .... but now because you already have the newspaper .... I realise this is probably yours !! Tongue

http://www.phlomis.plus.com/f_2c.htm

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« Reply #8 on: Monday 05 November 07 05:15 GMT (UK) »

Yes, Annie, that is my family. I guess because I can't get back any further in time, I'm working on some stories to go with the photo, since most relatives (who aren't genealogy addicts) quickly lose interest in just the lineage. I'm appreciating all your input!


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« Reply #9 on: Monday 05 November 07 05:24 GMT (UK) »

I just thought of the word ... " a stud book " .... that's what you need !! Grin

I still think that even without the name of the horse you could email the Shire Horse Society and ask about the stud books in that area !!

I love finding padding ...... makes the hunt all the more exciting because our families become "people" don't you think ? Grin

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« Reply #10 on: Monday 05 November 07 05:28 GMT (UK) »

Good idea. I will try it tomorrow. I must close for the night. Will keep you posted if I find out anything...goodnight! Lynne


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« Reply #11 on: Monday 05 November 07 08:25 GMT (UK) »

HI Lynne,
I would love to help.....but really...what would you really prefer..
to know about the magnificent Stallion....
or about John Smith....
If it is John....then what do you know?
Please tell us all factual dates...B M D....with the Marriage..who did he marry...tell us the certificates you have..

If it is the wonderful stead.....then you would have to contact the property he was stabled on...and look at their archives.. or http://www.scotsman.com/ to search the property.Commonty Farm. the stallion may have competed at the local show......search the Farm...
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« Reply #12 on: Monday 05 November 07 08:40 GMT (UK) »

I keep horses and while I can't add anything specific to the suggestions made by others, in my experience the horse doesn't look like a Shire Horse.

Breeds can change over the years but Shires tend to be massively tall but not as chunky as that horse. They also have much more long hair (feather) on their feet. To me he looks more of a "type" than a specific breed but I'm sure that you'll get loads of helpful info from a breed society.

Hope this helps in some way

Deb - Good luck!


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« Reply #13 on: Monday 05 November 07 09:09 GMT (UK) »

I'm with you, Deb - that's not a Shire...at least not 100%. Looks like it has been crossed with a Percheron or something similar, very stocky beasts. Also he's doesn't look tall enough to be a Shire - they are at least 18 hands high which is 72 inches/6ft at the withers. Could be a Suffolk Punch (or Punch cross)?

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Re: draught horse records
« Reply #14 on: Monday 05 November 07 09:16 GMT (UK) »

Great picture and story. It would be interesting to know what became of the horse. I can't imagine in those days that he would have been destroyed. He was probably judged far more valuable than your poor GGrandpa Roll Eyes

In that part of the world he's more likely to be a Clydesdale -
www.clydesdalehorsesociety.com

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