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meandcupcake
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This is going to sound a bit odd, but I was wondering if anyone out there would have knowledge of draught horses and how breeding records were kept. My grgrandfather had an "entire horse" he took around to neighbouring farms in the New Deer area, (late 1800.s) advertising of his visits in the local Public Houses. It would be interesting to know if blood lines were kept and who kept them. Any ideas? ???Lynne
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Smith, Webster, Cruickshank of Aberdeenshire
Smith, Legg of Banffshire
Smith, Corrie, Thomson, Lockerby of Dumfriesshire
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liverpool annie
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Hi Lynne !
That's a fabulous photo ! ....  and that question isn't odd at all ! ......
Well I Googled and apart from the Irish horses ... I couldn't find too much ! maybe this will give you some ideas and take you further !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shire_horse
Annie
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liverpool annie
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I was drawn to this post because my Mum used to love those big old boys and collected proper horse brasses !
Gosh I'm sorry to hear about the accident ..... but I bet if your Great Granddad was still around he'd say "it wasn't the horses fault " 
Did he have a name ? maybe Googling his name might bring a result ! or maybe an email to the Shire Horse Society !
Annie
EDIT .... I just came across this maybe your next holidays ................. 
http://www.westhighlandheavyhorses.com/riding.html
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liverpool annie
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Tell us some details maybe somebody can find a newspaper report !
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meandcupcake
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I have the report of John Smith's death in the Fraserburgh Herald & Northern Counties Advertiser May 28, 1907 which reads "Groom Killed by Stallion" John Smith, groom and feuer, 136 High St New Pitsligo, received fatal injuries at Commonty Farm New Deer, on Tuesday. Smith who was in charge of an entire horse was taking the animal from the stable, when it pushed him over and put a hind hoof on his chest, causing such serious injury (I guess so!) that he lived only for half an hour afterwards." coroners report..."injuries sustained by being accidentally knocked down and trampled upon by an entire horse under his charge; per verdict of jury"
Not being knowledgeable on horse breeds, I can't tell if this horse is a Shire .
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Smith, Webster, Cruickshank of Aberdeenshire
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liverpool annie
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I got all excited when I saw this .... but now because you already have the newspaper .... I realise this is probably yours !! 
http://www.phlomis.plus.com/f_2c.htm
Annie
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meandcupcake
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Yes, Annie, that is my family. I guess because I can't get back any further in time, I'm working on some stories to go with the photo, since most relatives (who aren't genealogy addicts) quickly lose interest in just the lineage. I'm appreciating all your input!
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Smith, Webster, Cruickshank of Aberdeenshire
Smith, Legg of Banffshire
Smith, Corrie, Thomson, Lockerby of Dumfriesshire
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liverpool annie
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I just thought of the word ... " a stud book " .... that's what you need !! 
I still think that even without the name of the horse you could email the Shire Horse Society and ask about the stud books in that area !!
I love finding padding ...... makes the hunt all the more exciting because our families become "people" don't you think ?
Annie
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kenjo
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HI Lynne,
I would love to help.....but really...what would you really prefer..
to know about the magnificent Stallion....
or about John Smith....
If it is John....then what do you know?
Please tell us all factual dates...B M D....with the Marriage..who did he marry...tell us the certificates you have..
If it is the wonderful stead.....then you would have to contact the property he was stabled on...and look at their archives.. or http://www.scotsman.com/ to search the property.Commonty Farm. the stallion may have competed at the local show......search the Farm...
regards,Jo
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PrueM
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I'm with you, Deb - that's not a Shire...at least not 100%. Looks like it has been crossed with a Percheron or something similar, very stocky beasts. Also he's doesn't look tall enough to be a Shire - they are at least 18 hands high which is 72 inches/6ft at the withers. Could be a Suffolk Punch (or Punch cross)?
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) BIGG (Kent) BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) BRISBANE (Fife) DANKS (STS) DOBSON (BRK) FRANCIS (ESS) GOODE (HAM) HAYNES (Cork) INGRAM (MDX, SOM) LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray) MORRISH (LND) NANCARROW (CON) OGILVIE (Moray, LND) STRATHDEE (LND, Banff) - SWAN (Fife)
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