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Topic: Dee's Scavenger Hunt Part 2 (Everybody welcome to join in) (Read 4690 times)
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deeiluka
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Yes Deb....I have that, thanks to your hard work..... .....but they're different page numbers.....so I really need to find the images and see what is on them. FreeBMD doesn't have images available for those two, so will have to sit and try to find them on Ancestry.....as soon as I finish the household chores..... 
....dee-twin 
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Steeles, Burton, Garrod - Norfolk Bauer - London, France Clarke, Tomblin - Rutland Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, Linnell - Northants Watts - Wiltshire Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp - Germany Redwood -Devon, Essex Blades, Babb- Surrey Selway, Churchill, Chappell - Somerset Watts - Somerset, Wiltshire Button, Archer, Leach - Cambridgeshire Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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deb usa
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hi Dee ...just searched for it ...you beat me but I will post it anyway in case someone can help ...
I FOUND IT .....
Jane LEE Mar Q 1851 WEST LONDON vol 2 p 241
Joseph BOWERS Mar Q 1851 WEST LONDON vol 2 p 244
Jane was on a page with 10 people ..ithought they were all matched up ...but NOT... 6 Girls Only 4 boys ....
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deeiluka
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I have ordered Louisa Isabella Bauer's marriage certificate today, so now have to wait patiently until it arrives.
But I've also been working on the family of Hugh Bauer, and there's a couple of things I can't find.
None of us could find Charlotte Elizabeth (Bauer) Lennard's death or presence in the 1891 Census.
Well, I can't find the son Charles Joseph in the 1881 Census. He's with the family in 1871, and he's also with the family in Canada after they migrated between 1886 and 1891.
If anyone can find him. I'd love to know where he was and what he was doing.
......dee
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Steeles, Burton, Garrod - Norfolk Bauer - London, France Clarke, Tomblin - Rutland Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, Linnell - Northants Watts - Wiltshire Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp - Germany Redwood -Devon, Essex Blades, Babb- Surrey Selway, Churchill, Chappell - Somerset Watts - Somerset, Wiltshire Button, Archer, Leach - Cambridgeshire Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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deb usa
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Hi Deetwin
Can you tell us which pages on part 1 that refer to Charlotte and Charles Joseph ...just so I can update myself on them ....
debtwin 
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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Hi Deetwin
Charlotte Elizabeth Lennard nee bauer ...b 1860 , Bedmonsey Surrey ...a cook ...
She is No-where in 1891 ...arrghhh ...I even checked under Lottie ....where did she go? Her hubby in 1891 is with the children and he still says he's married ...By 1901 he is widowed ... so we have to find her death between 1891-1901 ....
deb 
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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Deetwin
i am not sure who Charles Joseph is ! I read through part 1 again ... and can't see him .... who is he the son of?
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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Brambletye
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Deb, I suspect Nicolas was born in France, most likely in the Alsace region. There are a lot of Nicolaus Bauers listed on the IGI.....but no connection to Joseph that I can see.
The Horse Dealer bit has me intrigued......
......dee
Coming in very late to this one, Part 1 started before I was aware of Scavenger Hunts 
...but looking at Nicolas, if your man is a Horse Dealer, this could well have an Irish connection to it somewhere along the line, even if it's only that he was there on business.
I know the Irish Censuses have gone down the tubes, but might there be anything else in the archives? details of businesses, owners of stud farms and their day-to-day paperwork?
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If I remember rightly from all I have read today in Part 1, there is a Hugh b. c1824 Belfast (Perfumier), Francois b. 1827 France/London (Cook), Joseph Jnr. b.c 1829 Paris (Cook), Louisa Isabella chr. 1833 (Cook) - and George b. 1848 by Emma Mansfield (she m.Joseph Snr. 1846 Hammersmith) and we are trying to get the link, esp. between Francois and Hugh.
Hugh would be the eldest if these were all siblings, but so far, the only confirmed children of Joseph Snr. are Francois, Louisa & George - Hugh & Joseph Jnr. being likely but no proof yet - and Joseph Snr's father is Nicolas, but no siblings yet for Joseph Snr.
Have I got this right?
I'm missing one bit though - do you have a place of birth for Joseph Snr?
(note to me so I don't lose the plot : Joseph Snr. b. c1796 d. 1853, occ. Cook, m. to Isabella, then Emma)
I had a look at the photos, the resemblances are remarkable. I transposed pic. bottom left so he was facing same way as pic. centre top - not much doubt on visual evidence, you just need the proof...
...and I had a look at the Joseph Snr./Isabell entry in the reg. entry that was posted up, her surname looks like Leoppold or Leoppard, suspect the former.
I'll make a start on seeing if I can find anything new...
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deb usa
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Hi Bambletye
Well done on catching up ...It was afbulous hunt for us all ... especially with their occupations. I think we all learned a great deal especially about the London areas .... They are rather confusing to me
I still cannot find Charlotte Elizabeth Lennard nee Bauer ....why was she not with her family the night of the census ...either she was sick or a cook in some household/hotel and has not been transcibed.
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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Brambletye
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Hi Bambletye Well done on catching up ...It was afbulous hunt for us all ... especially with their occupations. I think we all learned a great deal especially about the London areas .... They are rather confusing to me I still cannot find Charlotte Elizabeth Lennard nee Bauer ....why was she not with her family the night of the census ...either she was sick or a cook in some household/hotel and has not been transcibed. deb
I can't find her either, yet - her birthplace (I think) varies between Bloomsbury and Bermondsey, I have been caning the 1891 this last half hour, and nothing yet...
ADDED...where are hubby and child in 1891? I might try going backwards and forwards through the nearby images to see if she's not too far away from home, but has been the victim of yet another crass mistranscription... 
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deeiluka
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Hi folks.
Many thanks for your efforts overnight......sorry I wasn't here to answer your questions sooner.
So it is not just me who can't find Charlotte Elizabeth (Bauer) Lennard either dead or alive!
The Bauers were mistranscribed so many times that it shouldn't surprise me.
Now to the questions.....
Deb....Charles Joseph was the second child of Hugh & Charlotte Bauer .....born 23 Dec 1860 Bloomsbury.
Brambletye.....yes, you have it right.....
Nicholas Bauer was the father of Joseph Bauer.
Joseph Bauer was given as born Paris, France or just France about 1796.
Joseph's confirmed chn were Francois, Louisa Isabella, and George.
His unconfirmed children were Hugh and Joseph.
Charlotte Elizabeth's hubby and daughter in 1891 are at RG12/435/141/1
It is another of those dreadful mistranscriptions......Joesph LEMARD, Edith Margaret LOTTIE! 
Sometimes I wonder how we have found anything out about these people......... 
......dee
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deb usa
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Hi Bambletye ..
here is the info for Charlotte Elizabeth Lennard nee Bauer
marriage ; under surname Baner
Charlotte Elizabeth BANER = Joseph Cecil Lennard
Sept q 1879
Wandsworth
vol 1d p 188
1881
3 Tugela? Rd, Battersea
Joseph C Lennard - head - 27 - provision merchant - Lambeth
Charlotte Lennard - wife - 21 - ditto, wife - bloomsbury
Maggie Lennard - dau - 10mths - Battersea
Mary A Cope - serv - 16 - Egham
RG11/642 folio 83 pg 29
1891...... No Charlotte !!
Hamburt Rd ? Battersea
Joseph Cecil Leonard head mar 27 pension merchant, Lambeth
Edith Margaret Lottie dau 10 scholart , Battersea
Hattie Kassal Visitor mar 32, Albany New York
Harry Collingwood Banks visitor single 27 Professor of music, Islington
elizabeth Clark serv, Dundee scotland
RG12/435 fol 141 p 1
1901
Joseph C Lennard - head - wid - 48 - own means - S E, Lambeth
Margaret Lennard - dau - 20 - Clapham
Muriel Lennard - grddau - 9m - Kensington
+ 1 servant
RG13/1188 folio 101 pg 37
Joseph Cecil Lennard died dec qtr 1905 aged 52 Brentford reg district
Joseph , the OH , is mar in 1881 , widowed in 1901 ...her death has to be between those dates somewhere ...
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
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Brambletye
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Just had a look at the 1891 for Joseph & family - they have actually written Lernard on the Census, living No. 3 Harbut Road Battersea, it says he is age 37 b. Lambeth - and he is a Provision Merchant, i.e. a grocer's supplier etc.
The writing is TERRIBLE...even worse than 17th - 19th Century Secretary Hand/Courthand, at least they were mostly consistent in their c*ckups  but I'll keep trying...at least it says he is Married not Wid, so that might narrow the search for Charlotte's death.
Has anyone tried Lernard for Charlotte yet...?
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deeiluka
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No....that's one I haven't tried Brambletye!
lenard/ Leonard/ Leonnard /Lemard/Lerrard/and quite a few more but not Lernard.....
......dee
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Brambletye
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Have just done the 1891 image by image for West Battersea District 39, which is where Joseph Lernard is - no Charlotte.
He is on Page 1 - the area starts Harbut Road and ends Louvaine Road - is anyone's geog. good enough to tell me what might have been before Harbut Road, and which enumeration district? Having worked forwards, might try working back...
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deb usa
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Hi Brambletye
I have done a search in 1891 using:
CHa* b 1860 London
Lottie b 1860 London
No Name just b 1860 +- 2 years born Bloomsbury London
Elizabeth b 1860 London
Len* 1860 London
C E L 1860 London
etc etc
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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