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*sara*
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help finding someone in the census
« on: Thursday 08 November 07 18:09 UTC (UK) »
i have finally hit a snag!

i am tracing alfred tompkins in middlesex,

i can find him on the 1901 census living with his wife ada and 3 children:  sidney, ethel and ralph

and i can find him on the 1891 census as a lodger in a police station ( he was a police seargent)  and i cannot find him in the 1881 or 1871 census.

he was born in 1868 in middlesex ( 1901 census says edmonton but birth cerftificate says kensington???) and his parents are alfred tompkins and sarah tompkins (nee cook)

Can anyone please help???  I have looked and looked!!!

sara
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Re: help finding someone in the census
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 08 November 07 18:14 UTC (UK) »

You have a birth certificate (from 1868?)
what's the street address, what's the father's occupation?

Pauline
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*sara*
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Re: help finding someone in the census
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 08 November 07 18:26 UTC (UK) »
hi pauline

i am not sure of these as i don't know what the cert says:

maybe address is 18 Towistock Terrace?

can you read them?

sara

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Re: help finding someone in the census
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 08 November 07 18:33 UTC (UK) »
The address looks like Tavistock Terrace Notting Hill to me.

Wonder if this is them in 1881 ?  Undecided
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=13231080
RG11/42 92 28
The handwriting is dreadful. No idea what dad's occupation could be.
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Re: help finding someone in the census
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 08 November 07 18:33 UTC (UK) »
Tavistock! It's still there.

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Re: help finding someone in the census
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 08 November 07 18:34 UTC (UK) »
occupation looks like lather.would imagine works with a lathe.
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Re: help finding someone in the census
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 08 November 07 18:41 UTC (UK) »
I was thinking of the occupation on the 1881 census actually (can you access the image, Yonderpeasant?) but I've never come across Lather either! Would it be anything similar to a Plasterer?  Tongue

Bit of a long shot but in 1871 there's a Johnson family at Lonsdale Rd Kensington who *could* be a match - dad Alfred is a Plasterer. Their neighbours are a Cook family too.

By the way, I see Alfred's name was Tomkins when he married Sarah in 1868.   
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*sara*
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Re: help finding someone in the census
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 08 November 07 18:42 UTC (UK) »
yes, this does look very likely

i did do a search for tomkins aswell but didn't find them.

thank you very much, it has been driving me crazy!  how do i know if it is definately them?  i do think it must be as there are not other possible matches.

can i search for a road on ancestry or just by name?
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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 08 November 07 18:44 UTC (UK) »
The 1881 census can be searched by address on ancestry  Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: Thursday 08 November 07 18:45 UTC (UK) »
1871 census.
Only Tavistock terrace is  rg10 277 fols 17 -21. looks to be wrong district though.

Pauline

Laths are the strips of wood a plasterer plasters onto.

As in lath-and-plaster walls/ ceilings.

http://www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/REPAIRING_LATH_AND_PLASTER.htm
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« Reply #10 on: Thursday 08 November 07 18:52 UTC (UK) »
Pauline  Cool

So, in 1871 we have
RG10/44 84 74
Kensington
43 Lonsdale Road
Alfred Johnson, head, 25, Plasterer, b. Essex Romford
Sarah, wife, 20, b. Middlesex Paddington
Alfred, son, 3, b. Kensington

Next door a Cook family headed by Thomas and Sarah who, ten years back in Paddington, did have a daughter Sarah age 10 born Marylebone ...

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« Reply #11 on: Thursday 08 November 07 18:56 UTC (UK) »
Well, I'm convinced... Grin

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Pannifer 1830-> Deptford (Kent)  Brierley in Staffordshire(Pre-1875)
Walters in Middlesex(Pre-1875)  Clift,Gould in Devon/Cornwall

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Re: help finding someone in the census
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 08 November 07 18:57 UTC (UK) »
i don't know how to make a link short in this Huh

i have found an alfred and sarah tomkins in 1871 aswell with son alfred, this is probably the same family as in the 1881 which does look likely.
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Re: help finding someone in the census
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 08 November 07 19:05 UTC (UK) »
Where are they?!  Tongue Can you post the reference?
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*sara*
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Re: help finding someone in the census
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 08 November 07 19:06 UTC (UK) »
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?ti=5538&indiv=try&db=uki1871&h=17091984


this looks like them?

yes i agree with the occupation too, plasterer looks right from the birth cert.

Thanks so much all for your help, wot i would do without everyone here i do not know Grin

regards
sara
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