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bearkat
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The parish of St Mary, Sholing was formed from the parishes of St Mary Extra and Hound in 1866.
St Mary Extra was the part of the parish of St Mary, Southampton that was east of the River Itchen.
The neighbouring parish of South Stoneham was also called St Mary.
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Middx - Vaus, Roberts, Eversfield, Inman, Star, Holbeck, Wyatt, Bickford, Smith, Redwood
South Stoneham, Hants - Small, Hammerton, Grist, Fryer, Trodd
Beaulieu/Boldre, Hants - Woodford, Croutear, Beck, Bendell, Keeping, Harding
Kent - Bayly, Borer, Mitchell, Plane, Vernon, Farrance, Chapman, Medhurst, Lomax, Wyatt
Devon - Tope, Bickford, Foster
YKS - Quirk, McGuire, Benn
Nott/Derbs - Slack
Hert - Barnes
L'pool- Plumbe
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bearkat
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Do you think there is any relationship to the READ family on this thread?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,67875.0.html
The TINSLEYS mentioned were baptists
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Middx - Vaus, Roberts, Eversfield, Inman, Star, Holbeck, Wyatt, Bickford, Smith, Redwood
South Stoneham, Hants - Small, Hammerton, Grist, Fryer, Trodd
Beaulieu/Boldre, Hants - Woodford, Croutear, Beck, Bendell, Keeping, Harding
Kent - Bayly, Borer, Mitchell, Plane, Vernon, Farrance, Chapman, Medhurst, Lomax, Wyatt
Devon - Tope, Bickford, Foster
YKS - Quirk, McGuire, Benn
Nott/Derbs - Slack
Hert - Barnes
L'pool- Plumbe
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kpnuts
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thank you for the info of the area of st marys i live many miles from there so im not aware of the place
i find this site a very helpful one everyone seems keen to help one another
ann
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Little Nell
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I thought that we had explained all about the various St Mary's churches in the area on this thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,265172.0.html
I gather from your reply above that George was NOT a catholic when he got married - St Mary's Sholing is definitely an anglican church. So he was probably baptised in the anglican faith as well.
Are you going to put us out of our misery and explain why the birth reference found on the other thread produced the "wrong" certificate? What detail led you to believe it was wrong? (Sorry, but you've really piqued my curiosity, but haven't answered the question - rootschatters hate mysteries like that.  )
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kpnuts
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i know that george reads father is stephen and mother wilhelmina . on the cert i had sent me was 12th dec and not 11th oct 1856 and the father on the cert was a john read spelt reed and mother jane i will try for a baptismal cert from the church
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Little Nell
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Well, spellings can be notoriously unreliable. You should not eliminate any of the following:
Reed Read Reade Reid Reede
Presumably George's father's name came from the marriage certificate, so therefore Stephen.
But can you be sure that George was just plain George? Might he have been William George or Henry George? Or might he have been left without a name at birth and then no-one went back and put his name in the official record once they had decided what it was to be and so he may be entered as "male"?
I grant you that there is a George Read born in Southampton who is with a couple named Stephen and Wilhemina in 1861. Stephen and Wilhemina were a couple in 1851 too, but no sign of a marriage. It all looks right. But it is possible that George's birth has not made it to the national indexes - it DID happen.
Of their other children, Ellen was apparently born in Jun qtr 1844, birth ref Lymington 8 175. I can't see an entry for Mary, but there is one for a Harry rather than Henry in 1851, but he appears to have a twin Catherine. For a couple with relatively unusual names, they chose very common ones for their offspring!
Have you tried the local superintendent registrar's office in Southampton? The birth reference would be no good to them. Their contact details are:
The Register Office, 6A Bugle Street, Southampton, SO14 2LX.
Tel: 023 8091 5327. Fax: 023 8063 3431.
E-mail: registrars[at]southampton.gov.uk (replace [at] with @)
They may find something, but make sure you are clear what you are looking for without going overboard. At this stage, I would not include the mother's name - less is sometimes more. George may always have given his birth date as 11th October, but if that was the case, and it is him with Stephen and Wilhemina in 1861, the age is already recorded wrong. He should only have been 4. There are so many opportunities for information to mislead.
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kpnuts
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thankyou i have sent an email to southampton registrar,see what comes back
ann
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I think I can help you out here. I believe that George READ, son of Stephen READ and Barbara Wilhelmina LIEBERMANN is connected to my tree.
According to the information I have (passed on to me from a fellow researcher, so not all verified) is that Stephen and Barbara (Wilhelmina) had 8 children (though I've not found a marriage yet):
Samuel Read b. 1839 in Pennington
Elizabeth Ann Read b. 1840 in Pennington
Ellen Read b. 1844 in Milford
Mary Read b. 1847 in Milford
Harry Read b. 1851 in Milford
Elizabeth Read b. 1855 in Southampton
George Read b. 1856 in Southampton
Eliza Read b. 1857 in Milford
Stephen was born on 03 08 1817 in Pennington, while Barbara Wilhelmina Liebermann was born in 1818 in Lymington to Christopher and Mary.
Stephen's father was Benjamin Read, a bricklayer, who married twice (that I've found). Once on 09 04 1810 to Sarah Hampton, then later on 10 06 1844, to his daughter's month-in-law Elizabeth Syms!
Another of Benjamin and Sarah's children was Charlotte Read, who was my ggg grandmother.
If you want to have any more info about this part of the family, then please just PM me. I can send you a copy from the parish register for Charlotte's birth, I may even have Benjamin and Sarah's wedding too.
Hope that helps anyway!
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kpnuts
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thankyou i found that all very interesting there s obviously a connection with the reads.
for a long time i have been hoping to own a birth cert for my greatgrandfather george read ,but had no luck at all, seems like i have found out the mothers maiden name from you .which i was hoping to find out on a birth cert
many thanks
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Little Nell
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Welcome to RootsChat, ojs_uk
Excuse me while I hit the "Bingo" button!!!!
Barbara Wilhemina Liebermann baptised 13 Sep 1818 in Lymington, parents Christoph and Mary
There is another Liebermann baptism in Lymington in 1814 - Mary, parents Cornelius & Mary - she appears to have been buried aged 16 in Milford, recordered as Liberman. A Cornelius Liebermann died in Lymington RD in 1854.
All I can say - Brilliant, fantastic - you may have solved the problem!!!!! A number of Liebermanns show up in FreeBMD for Lymington RD.
Interestingly, a 2 year old Samuel Read appears on the census with Cornelius in 1841 in Milford (HO107/393/4/6 p 7). Cornelius appears to be an army pensioner. And Stephen and Wilhemina are there too - HO107/393/4/15 p 24
Marriage: Stephen READE & Wilhemina LIEBERMAN Dec qtr 1838 Lymington 8 287
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There are army discharge papers at TNA Kew for a Cornelius Liebermann who served in the Royal Foreign Artillery (WO97/1243) and was discharged aged 45 sometime between 1797 and 1816.
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Cornelius Liebermann married Mary Ware 21 Nov 1808 in Boldre.
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kpnuts
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what a brilliant site this is. thank you again nell i have learnt such a lot over the last hour from you.
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Little Nell
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Too kind, Ann 
Here's a little more:
Samuel Read baptised 7 Apri 1839 in Pennington, parents Stephen and Wilhemina.
Elizabeth Ann baptised 26 Jul 1840 in Pennington, same parents.
She obviously did not like the name Barbara.
But she was registered as Barbara Wilhemina Read when she died in Portsea RD Sept 1888 aged 70 ref 2b 243
I wonder if she is the Barbara Read who shows up in the 1881 census as a nurse on RG11/1223/77 p 30? (I wonder because I can't see a Wilhemina Read!)
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