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shazzi_b
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Hi
I have just managed to trace a long lost rellie who died in WW1 (with very kind help of the WW! board - thanks guys!)
I know that his girlfriend gave birth to a daughter whom he never saw as she was born after his death. as he wasnt married, would the daughter have been given his surname, or hers?
any opinions welcomed!
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suzard
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The child should have been registered in the mother's maiden name.
If they weren't married the father's name should only be entered if the father was present -I know this wouldn't be possible in this case (but even then the child would be registered in the mother's maiden name -even though the father's name would be on registration)
Sometimes the child would be brought up (unofficially)using his/her father's name
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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shazzi_b
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thanks for that.
Its what I expected (unfortunately) - I dont have any idea of the mothers surname!
have to keep digging!
thanks again
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Michael Dixon
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Hope my but-in does not hinder !
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My father's birth was registered in WW1 era (1918).
Looking at his copy birth certificate, I see that his surname was not recorded.... no column for it !
Column 4 is for " Name and Surname of Father"
Column 5 is for " Name and Maiden Surname of Mother"
For the child, Column 2 is for " Name(if any) ".
My father's first name James, is recorded here with no surname.
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Looking at my birth cert, 1941, I see that ditto applies to me. Also to my grandfather's 1875.
( I cover a range of years in case the info recorded on registration, changed over the years ). I have a hunch that today children are registered with name and surname ??
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But as far as indexing of registrations goes, he would have to have been indexed under some surname.. Dixon in his case.
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To find the birth registration of a child whose surname is unknown would be very difficult, but maybe not impossible !
From the quarter ending Sept 1911, GRO birth indexes included both the child's father's surname and the mother's maiden surname.
Where the mother of the child was not married to the child's father, the birth registration index would include the mother's maiden name twice.
So ( assuming you have dtr's first name and an idea of where and when born/registered) get into those indexes !
Would the addresses of your WW1 relative and the girlfriend afford any additional clues as to the identity of the child ?
Michael Dixon
Newcastle
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GALLAGHER ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo Ireland.
Ontario, Canada,
Lowell, Ma, USA
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DIXON
ENGLAND (Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle)
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shazzi_b
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thanks for that information Michael - there is sooooo much I dont know (and didnt realise it until I started this!)
The only information I have is that the mother of the child was called Julia Anne, had the baby after the father (joseph Henderson williams) died in March 1918 and the baby was called Mildred. Her mother (Julia Anne) later married Tommy Nevins (who died in Washington 1950) and later again died in Washington Village Holy Trinity (in 1960). i can only find a marriage of Thomas Nevins in 1915 to Ethel Lee, but my mother is definate that Josephs girlfrirend was called Julia Anne.
anything you can spot would be great - but I will keep on digging!
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shazzi_b
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Michael
Unfortunatley I dont know where Mildred was born - her father was from Gosforth and my mother remembers visiting Julia Anne in Washington village when she (my mother) was a child.
Dont have any more than that, Im afraid!
Sharon
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shazzi_b
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no - youre reading it correctly - its just that on BMD the only Thomas Nevins marriage I can find is 1915 - too early - and its to an Ethel Lee.
Im not sure exactly when she married Tommy - I suppose I could go through the original docs from 1918 onwards......... an idea, I suppose!
thanks - I'll let you know if I find it!
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WolfieSmith
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Theres a birth of a Mildred Hill Nevins, Dec qtr 1906, Chester-le-St., vol 10a, P618.
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WolfieSmith
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Theres a short family tree on Ancestry for the Mildred Nevins b 1906.
Mildred Hill Nevins b. Co. Durham, 4 Nov 1906. Father - Thomas Nevins, mother - Julia Alice Ann Hill.
According to the tree, this Mildred married Stanley Inchliffe Brown, had kids, and died in Nottingham, 25 Oct 1966.
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