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Brian Holcroft
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Lauchlan Carmichael shown as a Chemist in South Leith 1861 Census.
I am unable to find his death record or his record in any later census.
Can you help?
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tidybooks
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Hi,
Brian,
Any chance they emigrated, I cannot find his wife either. Maybe check passenger records, if that is aa possibility.
Tom
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Couple of possibilities
1863 CARMICHAEL LAUCHLAN Male 69yrs at ST GEORGE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN GROS Data 685/01 0727
1882 CARMICHAEL LAURANCE Male 83yrs at DYSART /FIFE GROS Data 426/00 0117
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Brian Holcroft
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Thanks Sancti and Tidybooks there is the possibility that Lauchlan Carmichael emigrated,I have checked the Mormon Immigration Index without success.
Lauchlan was born 1826 to James Carmichael an Margaret Shaw and married Margaret Steel,the wedding certificate confirms this I really need to ascertain James Carmichael's parentage. James Halliday Carmichael born 1803 is favorite but the 1841 Census belies his age quoted as 60 yrs and his age at marriage in1822 would be 19 compared with Margaret Shaw 34 yrs. Burial or death details of James Carmichael would resolve this.
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tidybooks
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Hi Brian,
With all that info , makes life a wee bit easier, here is some that you may already have by the sound of it, but will help other reseachers to give all info known at outset.
Parents were James Carmichael & Margaret Shaw.
Andrew Halliday Carmichael 10 Mar 1824 St Cuthbert’s, Edinburgh, Midlothian (Extracted)
Margaret Carmichael 11 May 1825 St Cuthbert’s, Edinburgh, Midlothian (Extracted)
Lauchlan Carmichael born 01 Oct 1826 St Cuthbert’s, Edinburgh, Midlothian (Extracted)
Duncan Carmichael 20 May 1828 St Cuthbert’s, Edinburgh, Midlothian (Extracted)
Helen Halliday Carmichael 31 Mar 1830 St Cuthbert’s, Edinburgh, Midlothian (Extracted)
Janet Carmichael 30 Mar 1836 St Cuthbert’s, Edinburgh, Midlothian (Extracted)
Lauchlan Carmichael married Margaret Steel 20 Jun 1851 St Cuthbert’s, Edinburgh, Midlothian (Extracted)
In the 1841 census at Beaumont Cottage, Edinburgh
James Carmichael 60 b 1781 Scotland Cl Stamp & Tax Office
Margaret Carmichael 45 b 1796 Midlothian wife
Andrew Carmichael 15 b 1826 Midlothian Student of Medicine
Margaret Carmichael 15 b 1826 Midlothian
Helen Carmichael 10 b 1841 Midlothian
Janet Carmichael 5 b 1836 Midlothian
Alexander Carmichael 5 b 1836 Midlothian
It would appear that they have rounded all ages to nearest 5 not just 20 and over.
In the 1851 census at Mexborough Yorkshire,
Andrew H Carmichael 28 b 1824 Edinburgh General Practitioner
Margaret Carmichael 20 b 1831Edinburgh sister, should be 26
In the 1861 still at Mexborough, still unmarried,
Andrew H Carmichael 36 b 1825 Edinburgh General Practitioner
No other family with him.
In the 1871 England census at 17 Newgate St, Chester
Andrew H Carmichael 47 b 1824 Edinburgh, Physician & Surgeon
Maria Hancock 28 b 1843 Brample, Derbyshire Niece and House keeper
I can see where Andrew Halliday Carmichael went, but struggling with the rest. There are 2 IGI searches I did in North America.
Lachlan Carmichael married Christine McLean 21 Oct 1885 Buchanan, Missouri (Extracted)
Lachlan Alexander Carmichael b 03 Dec 1890 Green Leaf, Kansas m Annie Laurie Pelletier 27 Nov 1916 and died 22 Jun 1973
Not sure if they are connected but food for thought.
Tom
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Brian Holcroft
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Hello Tidybooks,
What a great response I am very grateful,I do have Andrew H Carmichael traced in 1881 ,1891 and his death in 1915.
The info on Lauchlan is most useful and I will follow this and let you know the outcome.
I still seek to prove that James Halliday Carmichael b.1803 is truly the correct ancestor.
I have looked at the following and not yet found a reference to Halliday being included in his name :
1841 Census. Alexander Porteous Carmichael's Birth 1832,Marriage1854 and Death 1895.
His Daughter Janet Carmichael's wedding1860.
Lauchlan Carmichael's wedding to Margaret steel 1851.
Margaret Shaw's Death Certificate1878.
James Carmichael's wedding Cert. 1822 to Margaret Shaw.
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Hi Brian,
I have found a Margaret Shaw b 1787 Inveresk, Musselburgh to a Lauchlen Shaw and Margaret Atkinson, following this line may pick up a Haliday. The Haliday is not necessarily in Carmichael line.
I note you looked at a DC for a Margaret Shaw dated 1878, that would make her 101. so maybe the wrong one.
Not sure if there is anything left to search for to give the Haliday link and the to confirm the correct ancestor. It is very difficult when dealing with OPR's sometimes women's names were not given.
Tom
PS Oops, My arithmetic was not too good, should have been 89/90, just what you have found.
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Brian Holcroft
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Hi Tom ,
I have Margaret Shaw' Death certifuicate confirms her age at 89 yrs in1878 therefore born 1788 I have her christening record and traced her family via IGI to late 1600's.
I guess I will not prove finally James Halliday Carmicharel till I find burial details.
Thanks for your help,
Brain
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Just saw this message and joined up to reply.
In researching Sir Andrew Halliday (1782-1839) and his wife Lady Helen Carmichael d. 31 Oct 1850, it states Lauchlan Carmichael, a chemist living at 13 Carlton St., Edinburgh, as the next of kin and executor of the estate. This was from her will in the Edinburgh Sheriff Court in 1860.
They married around 1804. I have info on Sir Andrew Halliday and am seeking to find any children from this marriage and/or to connect with others researching this line. I am esp. interested in the sister of Sir Andrew Halliday, Elizabeth Halliday Thomson.
Best wishes, D.
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Dumfries: Halliday, Thomson, Boyes, Bell, Laidlaw, Porteous, Young, Manderson, Swan-Lockerbie, Moffat, Thornhill, Castlemilk, Lochmaben
Perth: Stewart, MacNaughtan, McDonald-Aberfeldy, Achnafauld, and Bridge of Tilt, Blair Atholl
Thurso:Manson, Sinclair
Argyll: Taylor-Castle Toward
Glasgow: Telfer, Russell
Cumberland: Hodgson, Bowe, Telfer
North Riding, York: Russell, Robson, Calvert, Simpson
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Brian Holcroft
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I am intrigued by your reply.
Thomas Halliday m Margaret Porteous
Andrew b abt.1756 Dumfrieshire.
Andrew Halliday m Helen Carmichael abt. 1786 Edinburgh.
I have been unable to find a marriage between Elizabeth Halliday and a Thomson but I will persue.
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Our family roots go back to James Carmichael a clerk in the tax office Edinburgh m Jean Home 1798 and christened one of his children James Halliday Carmichael
James Carmichael Snr. subsequently married Margaret Shaw 1822 and christened children Andrew b.1824 ; Lauchlan b.1826; Helen Halliday b. 1830; Alexander Porteous b.1832.
The second christian names Halliday and Porteous pop up in subsequent generations to this day but I have failed to find James Carmichael's parentage.
Lauchlan Carmichael is reported in the 1851 census living in 21 Salisbury St., Edinburgh occupation Chemist and Drugist age 24, his brother ended up as a Doctor.
Have you any clues.
Best wishes Brian.
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Hi Brian & D,
I did some searching since D posted his/her reply, found out that Sir Andrew Halliday was knighted 1821. Will need to try and connect Lady Helen Carmichael & James Carmichael Snr. The use of Halliday as middle name started after the knighthood in 1821, a wee bit family pride, maybe.
I have not been able to connect James and Lady Helen yet, needs more effort.
Tom
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Brian Holcroft
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Halliday and Porteous were used from 1803 and 1832 respectively.
Thanks I'll keep trying but any help would be appreciated.
Best wishes Brian.
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Hi, I have found some information on an Alexander Porteous Carmichael in a book called Scottish Biographies (1938).Although this may be too recent for your ancestors it does mention he is the son of the late Alexander Carmichael.Please let me know if you would like to know more.
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Brian Holcroft
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Yes please.
Brian
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