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fhresearcher
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Dear B and T,
Exciting!
I am in the process of researching Sir Andrew Halliday for a short biography. There are numerous sites on the Internet with info. I really do not know where to start in telling you about him. However, I find little mentioned about his wife.
Names mentioned in the will of Sir Andrew Halliday (1839):
Halliday family-his sisters Janet, Elizabeth ( my direct line), Jean, Margaret, and Agnes and/or their lawfull issue. No other names from his family.
Carmichael family- Mrs. Grace Porteous who he lists as his sister-in-law and who is the widow of the Reverend Alexander Porteous. Janet Carmichael sister-in-law. Grace later lives with Lady Helen as listed in the 1841 census and 1851 census. I am currently having a relative take photos of her homes in Edinburgh at these addresses.
Perhaps the listed Janet Carmichael in the 1861 census who is wife to James might be the connection making one of them a sibling or nephew/niece to Lady Helen Carmichael Halliday. I do know that Lady Helen was the dau of Peter Carmichael of Edinburgh.
Sir A H born 1782 in Dalton parish, Dumf. to Thomas Halliday ( parents William Halliday and ___Bell) and Margaret Porteous dau of Archibald Porteous, portioner of Copewood. As a side note Sir AH did spend three summers as a tutor on the Isle of Mull for Murdoch Maclaine who was uncle to Lauchlan McQuarrie. Another possibility for the name Lauchlan.
What do you think?
Debbie
PS In my family the names of Halliday and Porteous were used as middle names for five generations and has made it interesting and clearer to see the connections. However, until last summer when I found the info on Elizabeth, and her family members, no one knew of the significance or anything about Sir AH. The middle names now have great meaning to us.
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Dumfries: Halliday, Thomson, Boyes, Bell, Laidlaw, Porteous, Young, Manderson, Swan-Lockerbie, Moffat, Thornhill, Castlemilk, Lochmaben
Perth: Stewart, MacNaughtan, McDonald-Aberfeldy, Achnafauld, and Bridge of Tilt, Blair Atholl
Thurso:Manson, Sinclair
Argyll: Taylor-Castle Toward
Glasgow: Telfer, Russell
Cumberland: Hodgson, Bowe, Telfer
North Riding, York: Russell, Robson, Calvert, Simpson
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"Carmichael,Alexander Porteous.Craigower,The Loan, Loanhead, Midlothian. Born 1879, Edinburgh. Son of the late Alexander Carmichael. Ed.Moray House;
George Heriot's School,Edinburgh. Married 1908,Helen Telfer, daughter of late Michael Lawson;1 son, 1 daughter. Councillor,burgh of Loanhead,1934: Junior Bailie, 1935-36;Senior Bailie since 1936. Recreations: gardening,golf,motoring."
From "Scottish Biographies 1938" published by E.J.Thurston,177-8 Fleet Street,London, & Jackson,Son & Co.(Booksellers)Ltd. 73 West George Street,Glasgow.
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Brian Holcroft
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Thanks for the reference:
Alexander Porteous Carmichael b 1880 shown with his parents in 1881 census, his mother Marion Goodlet 2nd wife of Alexander Porteous Carmichael - occupation butcher. Living 21 Salisbury St. Edinburgh.
His father also Alexander Porteous Carmichael b.1832, father James Carmichael Clerk in the Tax Office, mother Margaret Shaw.
The name and birth dates are identical in your reference,but require further work to confirm. The death cert for Alexander porteous Carmichael Snr d. 1895 is signed by A.H. Carmichael son.
Our family tree descends from David Henderson Carmichael b.1856 son of A.H. Carmichael Snr..and 1st. wife Janet Henderson.
My real stumbling block is the parentage of A.H. Carmichael's father James Carmichael who died 1850 in Edinburgh.
Thanks for your help best wishes Brian.
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just registered when I saw thisdiscussion. My family links go back to james carmichael and jean home.their first 3 children were registered together in 1803 0n birth of James haliday when James snr was described as a merchant.(had they been abroad?) When Mary Home was registered in 1805 the witness was Dr Haliday and James was settled in new job-Exchequer.marriage record of Mary in 1830 showsjames in tax office Edin.
Jean Home's father was a planter in Grenada-James was a merchant were they born or lived abroad?
Did not know of 2nd marriage of James
Poss birth of JamesOPR 24/7/1765 Edin. would match age at time of deathbut not info. from 1841 census.-A mystery
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Brian Holcroft
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I agree James Carmichael b. 1795 is the best fit, his father John was a Merchant in Edinburgh and one of the witnesses was Thomas Maben a Clerk in the Post Office.
The age stated on the death record (86 in 1850) does not tie in with 1841 CS. which are rounded ages,however if true it means that James C. was 34yrs. when he married the illigitimate daughter of Francis Home, is it possible that Jean home was his second wife and margaret Shaw his third.
A James Carmichael married Margaret Ried 28th. Sep 1781 one of the children was Ann Home Carmchael b.1787, James could be aged 16 but this is probably a red herring.
You may be interested in the correspondence between George home of Paxton to be found on the National Archives of Scotland by searching using James Carmichael as the search input.
If you have any difficulty let me know.
My wife's family traces back to James C. and his wife Margaret Shaw m. 1822. this means that Jean Carmichael nee Home probably died between 1814 and 1822 have you any details of this death.
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Thanks Brian .I don,t have any other info on Jean Home.unfortunately spent a long time on a false trail. I do not have any birth or death records for her. I also reckoned that 1765 birth for James seemed right but that would mean he was about 57 when he married Mgt Shaw.Because of census info I was wondering if there were 2 jamesCs who worked in the tax office. It certainly is complicated especially if a 3rd wife is involved!
I would be glad of any info you have on Jean or james and will certainly pass on anything I find out.
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Brian Holcroft
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Look at the reference national archives of Scotland.
Brian.
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Brian Holcroft
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My records show children of Jean Home & James Carmichael:
Jean Home Carmichael b. 1799
George Home Carmichael b.1800
Peter Carmichael b.1802
James Haillday carmichael b. 1803
Mary Home Carmichael b.1805
Penelopy Carmichael b. 1809
Frances Home Carmichael b. 1811
Agnes Carmichael b.1814.
I suspect that Jean Carmichael (nee Home ) died between 1814 and 1822 but have yet to find evidence.
I am aware that death record are held by Scotlands GRO but not yet available online.
Brian.
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fhresearcher
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Although a bit confusing I think we are on the right track.
Sir Andrew Halliday married Helen Carmichael dau of Peter Carmichael of Edinburgh in about 1804. I don' t have an original marriage record yet, just the notes on it.
He was known as Dr. Halliday and most probable a relative involved with the family.
He was the personal Dr. for the delivery of the Duke of Clarence's (later William IV) second child who died at four mouths. So that shows he did work with young children and maybe did deliveries.
Some of the siblings of Sir Andrew Halliday named their children after both him and Lady Helen Carmichael Halliday. I surmise they were well liked and as the Carmichael family had James Halliday Carmichel and a Helen Halliday Carmichael it can be found there too.
My direct, James Young (1792-1875) was the ill. son of Elizabeth Halliday (later Thomson) and Robert Young. He was a nephew to Sir Andrew Halliday. He also worked in the excise office in various places in Scotland and England. He was in the Edinburgh office too.
Debbie
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Dumfries: Halliday, Thomson, Boyes, Bell, Laidlaw, Porteous, Young, Manderson, Swan-Lockerbie, Moffat, Thornhill, Castlemilk, Lochmaben
Perth: Stewart, MacNaughtan, McDonald-Aberfeldy, Achnafauld, and Bridge of Tilt, Blair Atholl
Thurso:Manson, Sinclair
Argyll: Taylor-Castle Toward
Glasgow: Telfer, Russell
Cumberland: Hodgson, Bowe, Telfer
North Riding, York: Russell, Robson, Calvert, Simpson
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Brian Holcroft
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Very interesting:
Andrew Halliday b. 1824 Carmichael son of James Carmichael and Margaret Shaw became a licentiate of the college of surgeons in 1846, his qualification was L.M. which I understand is a Midwifery qualification coincidently with Sir Andrew Halliday's profession.
He died unmarried in Cheshire having lived in the Wirral.
Brian
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fhresearcher
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Sir Andrew Halliday was involved in many aspects of medicine. He had an interesting, if not fabulous, career. The fact that the naming patterns are showing both he and his wife in both of their families is helpful.
I think we can use this to put the families together. He had no issue. It makes sense that the relatives honored them by naming their children after them.
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Dumfries: Halliday, Thomson, Boyes, Bell, Laidlaw, Porteous, Young, Manderson, Swan-Lockerbie, Moffat, Thornhill, Castlemilk, Lochmaben
Perth: Stewart, MacNaughtan, McDonald-Aberfeldy, Achnafauld, and Bridge of Tilt, Blair Atholl
Thurso:Manson, Sinclair
Argyll: Taylor-Castle Toward
Glasgow: Telfer, Russell
Cumberland: Hodgson, Bowe, Telfer
North Riding, York: Russell, Robson, Calvert, Simpson
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Thanks Brian for info on Jean home and James Carmichael. I had only info on their first 4 children.If I come across anything that may help you I'll pass it on
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Hi,
Excited to read this thread about Lauchlan Carmichael, like Brian I am a direct descendant of David Henderson Carmichael (b 1856), through his daughter Lillias Carmichael and her son, Albert Wallace Potts.
We are all stuck on James Carmichael who married Margaret Shaw and have been interested to read where everyone else is.
We agree with everthing back to James Carmichael and Margaret Shaw apart from on the 1901 census Andrew Halliday Carmichael is listed as a widower.
Interestingly enough my Grandad tells a story about an ancestor being Queen Victoria's doctor is this Sir Andrew Halliday? We've not so found anything so far to validate this story.
Does anyone know anything about sisters of David Henderson Carmichael called Sarah or Anne? As we can't find them on any census but my Grandad talks of them and says they never married but had lots of property in Edinburgh and Glasgow.
Lindsay & Kay
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fhresearcher
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Quick reply is yes Sir Andrew Halliday was the physician for the Duke of Clarence later Wm IV. He held the baby, who would have been next in line instead of Victoria, all night long who died with a fever and etc. at the age of four months. This I found on the www.Internet Archives in a full text book about the incident. I have not found anything abt Queen V. but many family stories still exist-gotta go-more later. Debbie
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Dumfries: Halliday, Thomson, Boyes, Bell, Laidlaw, Porteous, Young, Manderson, Swan-Lockerbie, Moffat, Thornhill, Castlemilk, Lochmaben
Perth: Stewart, MacNaughtan, McDonald-Aberfeldy, Achnafauld, and Bridge of Tilt, Blair Atholl
Thurso:Manson, Sinclair
Argyll: Taylor-Castle Toward
Glasgow: Telfer, Russell
Cumberland: Hodgson, Bowe, Telfer
North Riding, York: Russell, Robson, Calvert, Simpson
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Brian Holcroft
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L&K
David Henderson Carmichael b.1855 m Janet Carmichael (maiden name) 1877.
The only sisters I know of Elizabeth C. b. 1857, Elizabeth C b. 1858, Margaret C. b.1860, Margaret Shaw C. b.1865 and a dau. to Marion Goodlet his 2nd. wife,Jessie C.
James Henderson Brown Carmichael (son of David Henderson Carmichael) m Annie Frost 1901, her sister was Sarah.
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