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Jennie from Lincs
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Strange Name
« on: Tuesday 13 November 07 23:24 GMT (UK) »
Having found a marriage for Thomas Dunderdale and Agnes F Torn reg 1911 Gainsborough I then checked Willingham PRs marriages for confirmation and found the 'F' stands for Fenturian.  Not what I had expected.  Assuming it was a maiden name from a previous generation I checked bmds but have not found one instance of this name.  I have also checked other sites and found none.  Has anyone ever come across this name before?

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Re: Strange Name
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 13 November 07 23:31 GMT (UK) »




On Ancestry there is an Edward Fenturian Watts, age 11 born and living in Swindon in 1881.

That's the only one I can find Jennie?
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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 13 November 07 23:34 GMT (UK) »
Well done Pels, that's one more than I've been able to find.  It's really annoying not to be able to find any connection in the family.
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Re: Strange Name
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 13 November 07 23:35 GMT (UK) »
In the gro birth index March Qu 1889 Gainsborough 7a 736, the name is listed as Agnes Fentiman Torn, which sounds more reasonable, could it have been bad writing in the PR's?

Perhaps if you got either the marriage or birth certificate you would be sure

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Re: Strange Name
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 13 November 07 23:42 GMT (UK) »



Here is the image .. I think from looking at it .. it's not a bad possibility?



I should say .. it's the one I found in Swindon.

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Re: Strange Name
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 13 November 07 23:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi Barbara

The birth reg is a typed entry and I am always wary of those as it is only someone's interpretation of the actual handwriting.  If you think of the name Fentiman it could so easily be Fenturian if badly written.  The marriage PR was very clearly written as Fenturian so I would rather take that as correct as you would expect the local clergyman to get it right, well most of the time anyway thinking of some of the mistakes I have seen!!
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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 13 November 07 23:47 GMT (UK) »
Pels

It looks more indistinct from how I saw it and don't you think the third from last letter is an 'i'?  Sorry, just seen the bit about Swindon.
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Re: Strange Name
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 13 November 07 23:48 GMT (UK) »
There are a couple of dozen FENTIMAN (surname) entries on FreeBMD in or near Lincs - mostly in the Goole district, so not so far away.
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 13 November 07 23:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jennie,

I wasn't suggesting that the clergyman got it wrong, just that it might have been badly written - if you saw it clearly, fine!  The typed index is taken from the original records, so they typed what they saw, I suppose.

Barbara

Pels. glad you added that, I thought you'd nipped down to Lincs to look at the PR  Smiley p.s. He is Edward Fentiman Watts in the bmd
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« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 13 November 07 23:51 GMT (UK) »
I have put it on the top of my list to check when I go again.  I will get a printout and get back to you all.

Just had a look at all the Goole entries that Geoff found and I'm beginning to think you may be right.  Still have the same problem though I cannot find a Fentiman connection to the family.  Thanks everyone for your input.
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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 13 November 07 23:59 GMT (UK) »




I've enlarged it and I still can't decide .. it also looks like the enumerator dotted the 'i' in the wrong place and it could be Fentiman?

Just checked again and Edward wasn't 11 in 1881 - he was only 6 .. I am so sorry!   Undecided
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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 14 November 07 00:04 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Ecneps on Tuesday 13 November 07 23:49 GMT (UK)
He is Edward Fentiman Watts in the bmd

Births Mar 1875  WATTS  Edward Fentiman   Highworth  5a 21

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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 14 November 07 00:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jennie,

I would love it to be Fenturian!  Another odd name to add to the list.
Had a quick look back at both families, and no F surnames, furthest back I got was to Robert and Frances Torn in Leeds in 1841, but couldn't see her surname anywhere.

You might perhaps contact Gainsborough register office and see if they could check the 1911 marriage to see if Agnes' full name is given

Do let us know what you eventually turn up.
Kind regards, Barbara
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Re: Strange Name
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 14 November 07 16:58 GMT (UK) »
Entered Fenturian search in "Surname Atlas" [archersoftware.co.uk has all names from 1881 Cr on cd],  and one shows.  At Highworth area of Wiltshire.
Likely the one you already have of the boy.                    Gragareth.
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Re: Strange Name
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 14 November 07 21:16 GMT (UK) »
A suggestion -----

Agnes Father Johns' father Robert married a Mary Ann Sowden in 1857 in Leeds

Census shows she was b circa 1823 in Leeds

There is not a baptism for a Mary Ann Sowden at this time but there is a baptism for a Mary Ann Fentiman dtr of Thomas and Mary bpt 21 Mar 1824  in Leeds.

Is it possible that Mary Ann was a widow when she married Agnes' grandfather - it would have been after 1851 as she is with her mother then.

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