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elrowe
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Can anyone please help me with my Harrington's. I am really stuck on a William Harrington born around 1800. His marriage cert was for 21st August 1837 to a Sarah Oldfield, at St Mary's in Newington Surrey. He was a brickmaker of full age, address 4 Waterloo St. his father was George Harrington also a brickmaker. Unfortunately he died before the 1841 census and therefore I have no record of where he was born. His son was born 13 Aug 1838 also in Newington but he and mother was in St George Hanover Sq by 1841 census, on their own, she is listed as a widow by the 51 census. I therefore assume he died between Nov 1837 and the April 1841 census. I think I have narrowed it down to 3 possibilities for death, March 1838 in Bermondsey, Sept 1840 Kensington, Middx and March 1841 E. London Middx. Is anyone else researching the Harrington's, any ideas which I should pick, any ideas what I should look for next? Regards, Carol
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lizdb
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I am intrigued to know where you got the speculative date of birth of 1800 form, if he does not appear on any census, and marriage cert only gives 'of full age', which could mean anything from 21 to 100!
I think you will just have to pick one of the deaths and send for the cert, and if it is not right try another. I dont know how else you will narrow it down.
As for other ideas, if William died young, then there is a chance that his dad is stilla round on 1841/51 censuses etc, so i would have a hunt for a George Harrington, bricklayer.
Is Sarah not listed as a widow in 1841? If she isnt then William could be alive somewhere up to the 1851 census.
Where is Saarh living in '41 and '52 - another idea is to look at neighbouring houses and see if she has moved near rellies after being widowed.
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elrowe
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Hi, thanks for the reply, I am speculating on his age, going by his wife's age, his child, and the average age of marriage. It seems his son also died fairly young, and as I don't know anything about his father or where any of them came from other than the fact they were brickmakers, don't have a lot to go on. There seem to be quite a number of Harrington's in the area and the south as such, therefore I am going for the easiest option first, and was hoping someone else may also be looking at the Harringtons so I could compare notes, next option is to go for the various death certs and hopefully find one with the widows name. As the 1841 census dosen't state relationship or marital status it dosen't give any clues. The 1851 census and thereafter lists her as a widow and living with her sister, so I am assuming she was widowed by 1841, unless otherwise proven. The only other clue I have is that there is a witness on his marriage cert of Jane Harrington, whom I am hoping is a sister, but again that is not a cert. I am also assuming that he would have been either in Newington or Hanover Sq when he died, but as yet no certs list either of those 2 places!!!
Guess I will have to keep hoping someone is also searching for the tree for any more clues. Thanks anyway.
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tazzie
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Hi .....
This is speculative but there is a bap in Stepney for ...
James Harrington born 26 Sept 1809 bap 10 July 1811
father George
mother Elizh.
If the family were like mine St Mary's Newington/ Southwark & Bermondsey would all apply as places so the death in 1838 Bermondsey would be my first to go for.
Tazzie
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Liscoe -all Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks. Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London Rewallin/Underwood -Devon Casbolt-London/Cambridge Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds This information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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lizdb
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agree Bermonsey first to go for (thought I put that in previous post , but obviously didnt!) sorry, I forgot about limitations of 1841 census too. (bad day!)
As a general note, it is SO dangerous to make assumptions in family history - and there seem to lots around in this case!
Getting the death cert will at least give an age at death, which might help firm things up a bit.
All the best with your search
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tazzie
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Hi Liz.....
cannot see more birth in that batch for this couple...and thinking about it by 1841 census they may not be alive themselves to be recorded and as you say some very scant info in 1841 at best.
As you say I recommend ordering that cert. Brickmaking had it's hazzards .
Tazzie
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Liscoe -all Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks. Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London Rewallin/Underwood -Devon Casbolt-London/Cambridge Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds This information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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elrowe
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Thanks guy's, ok, looks like I will go for the Bermondsay death cert as 1st option, hopefully that will be my guy and I won't waste too much buying various certs. Meanwhile..... anyone reseaching the Harrington's of the area.... would love to hear from you. Regards, Carol
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