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JoberG
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Hi to anyone interested,
I've only just latched on to the items on RootsChat concerning "Hull Seamen's and General Orphan Asylum and Schools". I know this was the full title of the Home in 1909, and that the Home was situated in Spring Bank; from the frontpiece of a bible in our possession presented by the Home to my father-in-law, William Percy Collins, on 11th May 1909 as he left the Home at the age of 14 to fend for himself in the world. William was resident in the Home together with his elder brother, Henry, and his younger sister Gladys Lilian from about 1904 after the deaths of both their father and their mother. [From one of the messages we note that their dates at the Home overlap with those of the father of "Penligen".]
My wife's grandfather, and the children's father Henry Collins, was a coastguard after service in the Royal Navy. Unfortunately he died at the early age of 40, as did also his wife Elizabeth. We assume that the three children were taken into care in the Hull Seamen's and General Orphan Asylum and Schools because of this coastguard/navy association.
Of interest to some might be the fact that the Patron of the Hull Seamen's and General Orphan Asylum and Schools was, as stated in this bible, "His Grace the Lord Archbishop of York".
Has anyone any comments on this?
Bernard
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Hull>Collins, Gill, Carlile, Duncan, Fry
Bath/Bristol>Brain
Dorset> Collins, Jarman, Robins
Leeds and Lower Wharfedale>Gill, Wall, Procter,Watson,Bramley, Irish, Thackray
Kent>Ford, Duncan
Lincolnshire>Ratten
Selby area>Carlile, Hembrough
Northampton,West Bromwich>Jevons
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penligen
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Hi Bernard and all interested in the Orpanages in Hull. The one on Spring bank, The Hull Seamans and General Asylum and Schools (I didnt know it was also an asylum), my dad never mentioned that... this was the orphanage he went to. He went there when his father died and his mother had to work. The date was 1912 to 1918 (sorry not 1906) that was his birth year (senior moment)!! That orphanage became Hesslewood and later moved out of the city. My dad often talked about his days there, he once wrote a letter to the Editor of the Hull mail saying that he was very well cared for considering it was war time. One of his jobs was to polish the large brass door knobs and collect litter from the grounds. His mother used to arrange to meet him and give him things thru' the fence. I have a picture of him in his sailors suit with his mother, she looks really sad. Fortunately his mother remarried in 1918 and he was able to go home.
Regarding The Newland Homes on Cottingham Road - that is another orphanage. I suppose there was different criteria for entry?? As others have written that home was in beautiful grounds, I actually went to school there for a short time (not because I was orphaned) but it took other children from the area. They had a great bonfire night and the Whit Sunday carnival was always great, my family who were toy wholesalers had a toy stall there every year for many years at the carnival and a very close family friend (now deceased) was a house mother there. I would like to research the records of the Hull Seamans and General orphange the one on Spring Bank at the time my dad was in residence and if anyone has any photos I would really appreciate a copy. Regards and thanks KiwiJane
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JoberG
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Hi Carol and KiwiJane,
Thanks, Carol, for giving me the website address of the Hesslewood Children's Trust with those accounts. I find it rather interesting that the name of the Hull Seamen's Orphanage, which now drops use of the word "Asylum" (asylum being really a place of safety, KiwiJane), is still retained as subtitle (or parenthisis).
I'm sorry, KiwiJane, that the dates of your father and my father-in-law at the Seamen's Home do not match. However I shall try once again soon to obtain some info. about the children in care in those years 100 years ago through Hull Archives. In the 1970's my wife, who now suffers at a severe stage of Alzheimer's Disease, tried to get information about her father but came to a "dead end" by being told that it was likely that records had been destroyed in the blitzes on Hull in WW2 - which, incidentally I remember so vividly from the bedlam-type noises we heard on most nights from the relative safety of an underground shelter in my case.
Let's keep on searching,
Kind regards to both of you,
Bernard
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Hull>Collins, Gill, Carlile, Duncan, Fry
Bath/Bristol>Brain
Dorset> Collins, Jarman, Robins
Leeds and Lower Wharfedale>Gill, Wall, Procter,Watson,Bramley, Irish, Thackray
Kent>Ford, Duncan
Lincolnshire>Ratten
Selby area>Carlile, Hembrough
Northampton,West Bromwich>Jevons
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kaydoubleu27
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In the 1970's my wife, who now suffers at a severe stage of Alzheimer's Disease, tried to get information about her father but came to a "dead end" by being told that it was likely that records had been destroyed in the blitzes on Hull in WW2 - which, incidentally I remember so vividly from the bedlam-type noises we heard on most nights from the relative safety of an underground shelter in my case.
Hi everyone
I responded to a survey at Hull Archives a few weeks ago and said that I was very interested in seeing the new centre because I wanted to see if there were any records for Newlands Orphanage and got an e-mail reply saying:
"We’re really looking forward to the opening as well, and the Newland Orphanage records are certainly one of the many collections that we will be improving access to in the new place."
So hopefully they and the other orphange records are still on one piece!
Kind regards
Kim
Sorry Bernard - I don't seem to have quite got the hang of this quote thing 
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Murphy - Yorkshire (mainly Goole), Guernesy & Ireland
Ward, Broadhead, Laverack, Duckels, Skelton, Williamson, Crowther, Lambert, Clark - Yorkshire
Smart, Dalton - Yorkshire & Lincolnshire
Bradley - Kent
Deamen - Wiltshire
Shave - Dorset
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JoberG
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Hi Kim,
I don't quite understand why you made your last comment. Was it about my use of the term "dead-end"? Maybe the following will help. The facts are simply these.
My wife, while attending an extramural writing course at Hull University about 1977/8, tried to obtain information while she was in Hull about her father who had been in the Seamen's Orphans Home about 1904-1909. She was informed then that there appeared to be no records available; this was the "dead-end". It was suggested to her that personal records might have been destroyed in the air raids on Hull during WW2 (1940 -1944). Since then, and right until last week, I have never pursued our quest further in this area - but then I found these current contributions about the Hull Seamen's Orphans Home on Rootschat. This has opened up a possible new avenue for us to find out something about William Percy Collins, her father.
William Percy Collins, died in 1961 (unfortunately my wife was even unable to go to Hull to attend her father's funeral because she giving birth to our first child in Edinburgh at exactly the same time). I knew him well after 1954. Surprisingly, or possibly not surprisingly, we can never now know about his life , and also that of his brother and sister, at the Home. Although I learned a great deal about my father-in-law between 1954 and his death in 1961 he said NOTHING at all about his early life in those years between 1904 and 1909. Moreover neither of his daughters knew anything except that he was an orphan in that home when he was a boy. His son (the eldest of his three children) died in 1974 (Parkinson's disease); he might have known more than his two sisters!
Regards,
Bernard
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Hull>Collins, Gill, Carlile, Duncan, Fry
Bath/Bristol>Brain
Dorset> Collins, Jarman, Robins
Leeds and Lower Wharfedale>Gill, Wall, Procter,Watson,Bramley, Irish, Thackray
Kent>Ford, Duncan
Lincolnshire>Ratten
Selby area>Carlile, Hembrough
Northampton,West Bromwich>Jevons
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kaydoubleu27
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Hi Bernard
I'm so sorry for confusing you ( sometimes I manage to confuse myself  )
I was referring to the fact that I had quoted your post but whereas other posts have qoutes in blue boxes - mine didn't and I wanted to apologise for that! All things technical are not my strong point!
It really would be great if the archives relating to the orphanages did survive so that you can find out something about your father-in-laws early years. My G Grandfather , along with his two brothers were listed as being there on the 1911 census BUT their mother was still alive and listed herself as married not widowed on the 1911. Also I have never been able to find a death record for my gg grandfather (although from his mothers entry on the 1911 she states that she had 9 children - 4 still alive which would point to him being deceased) so I would love to know how the boys came to be in the orphanage.
Fingers crossed that when the new centre at Hull opens later in the year we will be able to solve a few mysteries.
Sorry again for any confusion.
Kind regards
Kim
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Murphy - Yorkshire (mainly Goole), Guernesy & Ireland
Ward, Broadhead, Laverack, Duckels, Skelton, Williamson, Crowther, Lambert, Clark - Yorkshire
Smart, Dalton - Yorkshire & Lincolnshire
Bradley - Kent
Deamen - Wiltshire
Shave - Dorset
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JoberG
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Hi Carol,
Many thanks for your messages - the story and the website for the archives. Regarding the 100-year rule we are exactly 100 years and 1 month on as far as Lydia's father is concerned.
Earlier today I emailed the archives office asking for info. about re-opening times at the Hull History centre. I've just read your posting which s suggests September.
Much now will depend on when I can get a day across in Hull; my time being so limited these days.. I ought really to spend quite a lot of time at the Hull records offices just searching for info. from certificates, etc. Neither of us now has any relatives in Hull. My one remaining 97-year old aunt died in Hull in April severring the last remaining link both Lydia and I have with Hull; all our grandparents families moved into Hull between 1870 and 1905.
There are other exciting things however in my Family Tree work; which has become my area of reseach since Lydia began to suffer with her rotten disease for which I have to be around much of the time. E.g., I've manged to trace one line back to 1559 at Fewston in the Washburn Valley; lucky because it's close to where we now live and I'm now sittting with the Fewston Parish records on hard disc which I have recently transcribed (1555-1812) together with a friend in Otley.
Best regards to you,
Bernard
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Hull>Collins, Gill, Carlile, Duncan, Fry
Bath/Bristol>Brain
Dorset> Collins, Jarman, Robins
Leeds and Lower Wharfedale>Gill, Wall, Procter,Watson,Bramley, Irish, Thackray
Kent>Ford, Duncan
Lincolnshire>Ratten
Selby area>Carlile, Hembrough
Northampton,West Bromwich>Jevons
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JoberG
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Hi again Carol,
As I sent the last post I noted that you have a Perry in your listing of names. Perry in your tree is not by any chance associated with the Brain family in the Bristol/Bath area is it? If it is we are probably distantly linked somehow. One of the Brain branches went to the Cheshire/Liverpool area. My mother went to one of their funerals there in the 1920's; her uncle's.
All the best,
Bernard
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Hull>Collins, Gill, Carlile, Duncan, Fry
Bath/Bristol>Brain
Dorset> Collins, Jarman, Robins
Leeds and Lower Wharfedale>Gill, Wall, Procter,Watson,Bramley, Irish, Thackray
Kent>Ford, Duncan
Lincolnshire>Ratten
Selby area>Carlile, Hembrough
Northampton,West Bromwich>Jevons
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penligen
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Hi everyone interested in the Hull orphanages/childrens homes. Thought I'd add some more about my Dad's life in the orphanage. He was Reginald William Penligen born Hull 1906 (spent 6 yrs in the orphanage 1912-1918) he never said a lot either about his time there, except snippets and the fact that it was strict , he was taught the three R's and got three meals a day. I often wonder (however sad) if it had been the best place for him during war time in the circumstances that unfolded. He got polio when just a few weeks old, he was left lame and was never a robust person, slightly built and thin but he had a great brain and did quite well in business in hull and lived till 80. His father/mother were Cecil Avant Penligen and Ada Verney, Ada (as far as we know) was the housemaid for the Penligens. They were well off and had other staff. Ggrandad had been a sea captain born DArtmouth 1849 and came to Hull as he sailed for the Wilson Line from about 1865 to 1901 (the year of his death, he was only 52). I have the names of several of the ships he was captain, there is an oil painting of one, the SS China, in the Hull Town Docks Museum. So dad never knew his grandad. When his dad (Cecil) married Ada (the skivvy) it did not go down well with my ggrandmother. Sadly Cecil died very young at 28 of TB (Dad was 6). Ggrandma never took my dad and Ada in, in fact she saw my dad go into the orphanage. I often wonder if she arranged it ( it appears she was very mean) and because of the sailing history he was able to get a place. So dad spent 6 yrs there (his mother had to go back into service), but in 1918 his mother re married and he came home. He knew little about the Penligen side and its only since he's died that I have found out so much, he would have liked to have known some of his history as despite the story he was never bitter. Early in the 1970's I worked for Sunblest Bakery on National Ave and a lady who worked there had been in the home too and remembered by Dad, and she remembered especially well (with envy) the day he was allowed to go home. Unfortunately I cant remember her name but she lived near National Ave. So just a bit about dads time there - seems the children were well clothed/fed and taught the three R's, just hope they were also treated lovingly but I have no reason to believe they were badly treated. Best wishes and regards KiwiJane
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vancouver
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I have just found my great aunt and uncle on the 1911 Census. Both were residents of the Seamen's and General Orphans Asylum. According to the 1911 Census, their mother was a widow and living in a four room house on Crowle Street. The children also had several siblings who were married and living in Hull.
I have several questions:
1. Why would these children be in the orphanage? Could they have been removed from their mother?
2. What were the conditions in the orphanage at this time.
3. Have any members of the forum accessed the records of the Orphanage at the Hull Archives? What information did you find?
4. As I live in Canada what is the best way for me to obtain the records of these children?
Thanks
Wendy
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penligen
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Hi Wendy I have similar questions especially 2,3 and 4. If their mother was widowed thats the probably the reason - just like my father's situation, his mother was left and had no option but to go back into service which I guess provided her with a home. As fathers grandfather had been connected with the sea i presume that was the reason he was eligible for the sailers home, so like you I am looking forward to the new History centre opening so that we can get to work. How did you search the 1911 census it is on line somewhere? Hey, sounds like your rellies were there at the same time as my father. regards KiwiJane
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