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Re: Sarah Turner
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 17 November 07 15:58 UTC (UK) »

hi pal,

i can see this ....

1851 census- gasstown, dumfries

william mcroe...age 61...tailor
janet...age 60
thomas...age 11...grandson
john...age 3...grandson
sarah turner...age 6...grand-daughter

glad to see the parents names as she did have a son robert on the 1881 census...

1881 census- old binnicle, wigtown

james...age 34...fisherman
sarah...age 34
dinah...age 11
joseph...age 10
robert...age 8
agnes...age 7
sarah...age 5
georgina...age 3
james...age 2
elizabeth...age 1


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Re: Sarah Turner
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 17 November 07 16:18 UTC (UK) »

That was the 1851 that I saw, Joe but wasn't sure about  Undecided

Sarah's parents from the marriage cert are John and Mary but no mention of a Mary among her children. She could have got it wrong on the marriage cert. but very difficult to tell. So far, I can't find a baptism record for her at all.

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Re: Sarah Turner
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 17 November 07 16:23 UTC (UK) »

hi pal,

1851 census- leehouses, graitney

robert bryson...age 40...farm labourer
dinah...age 45
agnes...age 15
joseph...age 14
ann...age 9
dinah...age 6
lowther...age 2

1851 census- leehouses, graitney

lowther berrill...age 54...fisherman
robert...brother...age 44...fisherman
agnes...sister...age 58...baker
mary...sister...age 48...housekeeper
ann...sister...age 45...baker
jane...nephew...age 25...baker
james bryson...age 4...grandson
george graham...age 2...grandson

1861 census- hollingbush, graitney

robert...age 50...farm labourer...born hoddam
dinah...age 55...born gretna
agnes...age 26
ann...age 19
dinah...age 16
james...age 14
georgina...8


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Re: Sarah Turner
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 17 November 07 16:27 UTC (UK) »

Yep - that's definitely the Brysons  Smiley

But where are the Turners  Huh

John as a coachman in 1868 might have been the Innkeeper of 1851. Have you found any possibles for after 1851. I'll go check for deaths for him.

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Re: Sarah Turner
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 17 November 07 16:36 UTC (UK) »

So far there is nothing that jumps out at me as a death for John. Neither parents were recorded as deceased on the cert.

Just seen that a witness was a George Berrill and the other was Williamina McRoe.

Now those names I recognise from that 1851 census as a granddaughter.

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1851 census- gasstown, dumfries

william mcroe...age 61...tailor
janet...age 60
thomas...age 11...grandson
john...age 3...grandson
sarah turner...age 6...grand-daughter

That one is worth following Joe  Smiley

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1851 census- leehouses, graitney

lowther berrill...age 54...fisherman
robert...brother...age 44...fisherman
agnes...sister...age 58...baker
mary...sister...age 48...housekeeper
ann...sister...age 45...baker
jane...nephew...age 25...baker
james bryson...age 4...grandson
george graham...age 2...grandson
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Re: Sarah Turner
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 17 November 07 16:38 UTC (UK) »

Just had a review.

The Berrill is from James Bryson's side and the McRoe is from Sarah's side  Smiley

Glad you came on, Joe. It made me go back to the cert for any clues  Smiley

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Will go and investigate the McRoes  Smiley
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Re: Sarah Turner
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 17 November 07 16:56 UTC (UK) »

hi pal,

same person spelt different...

1841 census- gasstown village

william mcnoe...age 50...tailor
janet...age 50
elizabeth...age 18
john...age 10
thomas...age 1
jean gourly...age 23
janet gourly...age 2


need to go fot the fitba....

catch up later..

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Re: Sarah Turner
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 17 November 07 17:07 UTC (UK) »

Only baptism so far that I can find with father William  is a John McNoe, s. of William McNoe and Janet Shand - 21 July 1830, Dumfries

Trying desperately to think of other variations of the surname.

I think I'll join you at the footie!

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Re: Sarah Turner
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 17 November 07 17:10 UTC (UK) »

Think I may have found something on Wilhilmena/Williamina McNoe (witness) though on the IGI -

Dumfries 17 August 1873 Janet Sarah Turner McNoe. Mother Wilhelmina McNoe  Shocked


Many of the McNoes seem to have come from New Abbey, Kirkcudbrighshire including William , the grandfather.

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Re: Sarah Turner
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 17 November 07 17:21 UTC (UK) »

Wilhelmina also had John Smith McNoe (born 1871). They are living with granny, Janet, in 1871, but there's no sign of Janet (1873). There's a daughter, Agnes, born c. 1820 in Gibraltar. Janet (c. 1790 in Burntisland) is a soldier's widow, so might explain why there's little baptisms in Scotland for their children.

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Full entry:
Address: Annan Rd, Dumfries
Janet McNoe, f, head, 80, soldier's widow, Burntisland, Fifeshire
Agnes ", f, dau., 51, ag labourer, Gibraltar
Wilhelmina ", f, g-dau., 19, general serv, St Mary's, Dumfriesshire
Thomas ", m, g-son, 11, scholar, St Mary's, Dumfriesshire (son of Agnes)
John S Stundell, m, g-son, 2 months, -, St Mary's, Dumfriesshire
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Re: Sarah Turner
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 17 November 07 17:38 UTC (UK) »

Hmmmmmmmm  an interesting family  Roll Eyes

But who was Sarah's mother - she must have been a McNoe/McRoe  Undecided

Janet (grandmother) was born Burntisland, Fife  Roll Eyes
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Re: Sarah Turner
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 17 November 07 18:11 UTC (UK) »

I think I'm a bit confusing with them! Grin Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm seeing it like this.

William McNoe/McRoe (circa 1790 in New Abbey, Dumfries) marries Janet Shand (circa 1790 also in Burntisland, Fife) on 5th June 1815 in Edinburgh. Her father is given as Peter Shand. They have a daughter (?), Mary, who marries John Turner, a coachman. They then have a daughter, Sarah who marries James Bryson.

Undecided Think I've got it.

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Re: Sarah Turner
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 17 November 07 18:26 UTC (UK) »

Yep that's possibly it as far as the info goes but we can't find Mary or John Turner or deaths  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

On Sarah's marriage cert, they appear to be alive  Undecided

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Re: Sarah Turner
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 17 November 07 19:21 UTC (UK) »

hi all,

whit aboot this?

1851 census- cargens house, kirkcudbright

mary mcnoe...age 23...servant for john bertwhestle, proprietor, could john have joined her their?

maybe they were never married!!!!

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Re: Sarah Turner
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 17 November 07 19:26 UTC (UK) »

That's what I was thinking, Joe  Smiley

Interesting though that Wilhelmina used Turner as one of her daughter's names.

Just found on IGI a possible birth for Janet Shand (death cert gave no info) :

3rd Aug 1789, Burntisland. Parents Peter Shand and Nelly Masterson

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