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Dane Falconer
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I've hit a real stumbling block on one branch of my family tree. I'm trying to trace the parents of one John Edwin Jacob Miller, a brickmaker from West Malling (possibly the village of Burham) and the surname of John's wife Harriet
who is called Harriet Smith in one family source and Harriet Langridge in another! Obviously I'm hoping that the less common name is the right one.
They emigrated to New Zealand in 1874 with the help of the Kent Union. Basically unless I can find out any more information on John Miller's family and his wife's real name I'm stuck. John was born circa 1844 possibly into a brickmaking family . Harriet's parents might have been called James and Mary.
Any help would be great!
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Elleray Girl
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Hello Dane,
Welcome to Rootschat 
I've looked at the Parish Registers for Burham from 1840 to 1850 and there are no entries for "Miller", however, I did find this possible marriage on Free BMD:
John Miller
Harriet Langridge
Dec Qtr 1869
Malling Vol 2a Page 720
There are 2 others on the same page - Mary Elizabeth Edwards and Charles Terry, but it's a possibility that these are your folks.
There were no results for a John Milller and Harriet Smith in Kent.
The marriage certificate would give you their ages, occupations and fathers names and occupations.....
Hope this helps a little
Karen
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Elleray (Cumberland), Wren (Keswick), Parker (L'Pool and Cheshire), Bray (Cheshire), Gornall (Lancashire), Smithies (L'Pool), Rainford (West Kirby), Pinches (Shropshire and Wirral), Wilson, Walton and Merrick (Haddenham, Bucks)
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There is only one John MILLER married to Harriott in the 1871 census living in Kent.
Living at 28 Waterside, Dartford
RG10/885 Folio 28 Page 5
John MILLER aged 26,a labourer ina gunpowder mills, born Dartford
wife Harriott aged 25, working in a paper factory born Dartford
daughter ELiza Ellen aged 1, born Dartford
Ann DAVIS, wife's sister, aged 13, born Dartford
also in the same dwelling but a separate household are
James SMITH aged 30, a waterman, born London
his wife Sophia aged 24, born Christchurch, Surrey
sons George 3 & Thomas 1, born Dartford
John's wife, Harriott, should have the maiden name of DAVIS if this is the correct family.
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Middx - Vaus, Roberts, Eversfield, Inman, Star, Holbeck, Wyatt, Bickford, Smith, Redwood
South Stoneham, Hants - Small, Hammerton, Grist, Fryer, Trodd
Beaulieu/Boldre, Hants - Woodford, Croutear, Beck, Bendell, Keeping, Harding
Kent - Bayly, Borer, Mitchell, Plane, Vernon, Farrance, Chapman, Medhurst, Lomax, Wyatt
Devon - Tope, Bickford, Foster
YKS - Quirk, McGuire, Benn
Nott/Derbs - Slack
Hert - Barnes
L'pool- Plumbe
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John Miller
Harriet Langridge
Dec Qtr 1869
Malling Vol 2a Page 720
I can't find a better match for the marriage. 
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Middx - Vaus, Roberts, Eversfield, Inman, Star, Holbeck, Wyatt, Bickford, Smith, Redwood
South Stoneham, Hants - Small, Hammerton, Grist, Fryer, Trodd
Beaulieu/Boldre, Hants - Woodford, Croutear, Beck, Bendell, Keeping, Harding
Kent - Bayly, Borer, Mitchell, Plane, Vernon, Farrance, Chapman, Medhurst, Lomax, Wyatt
Devon - Tope, Bickford, Foster
YKS - Quirk, McGuire, Benn
Nott/Derbs - Slack
Hert - Barnes
L'pool- Plumbe
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Little Eliza Ellen (1871 census) was baptised Holy Trinity, Dartford 12 Sep 1869 dau of John & Harriet MILLER labourer of Fulwich? Road ..................... no middle names there for John 
Dane, from which source(s) have you found John with the middle names of Edwin Jacob?
Casalguidi
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casalguidi
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Hi Barry
It wouldn't have actually been the Kent Union but rather one of a number of Unions that Dane is referring to. The Union workhouse system was set up in 1837 along with local registration districts as used by the registration of births, marriages, deaths. There was a local union (workhouse) to each registration district. The following is a great site for workhouse/union history.
http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/
You will see a section about emigration.
Casalguidi
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Dane Falconer
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Thanks to all those who replied . I really appreciate the effort and interest that's been shown. My feeling at the moment is that the James and Harriet from the Malling marriage entry are the ones I'm looking for as it fits in geographically and timewise with the little information we already have. With regards to the request for information about an ancestor who might have been helped to emigrate to New Zealand I'd like to recommend a book on that very subject available free online. Type in The New Zealand Electronic Text Centre. The title of the book is "The Farthest Promised Land" by Rollo D. Arnold and the text documents the fascinating background of en masse emigration from places like Kent in the !870's. Hope this is of help.
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I don't know if you have this but there is a Charles MILLER baptised 1871 West Malling with parents John & Harriet http://www.west-malling.co.uk/baptisms.php5 - I can't positively identify them in the 1871 census though
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Dane Falconer
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 Thanks so much with the extra information on the baptism record. This fits in with the ship's manifest for when the family emigrated which shows a son named Charles aged two. I tried to see if there was information on the site you mentioned about the other children William and Catherine but no luck.
William was possibly born en route to or in Portsmouth as the ship lists him as only two months old but Catherine Miller (my ancestor) was born in 1865 according to family records so I'm surprised that her records don't seem to be there. I'm wondering if the fact that James and Harriet don't seem to have been married until !869 has something to do with it. To what extent would families go to conceal illegitimacy I wonder. If anyone can find info to confirm the birth/baptism of Catherine Miller to James and Harriet Miller and whether she was in fact born about 1865 (as it claims on her death certificate) or not I would be MOST grateful. This particular branch of the family seems to be very elusive.
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Hi Dane
Do you have a birthplaces ie. towns/villages for any of them from later certificates perhaps? When/where was Harriett supposedly born? Were there others from the same place travelling with them? What are the sources that list Harriett's various maiden names ie. was she alive at the time or deceased - anything that might help locate them as we were previously concentrating on John and young Charles and didn't realise there were other children too.
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Dane Falconer
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You're right, I definitely need to give out some more background information so here goes. I don't have any info on the backgrounds of Harriet and John (i.e where were they born etc.) which was why I was finding them so elusive. However this is what I do know: John and Harriet Miller emigrated to New Zealand in 1874 with three children Catherine (10), Charles(2) and William (2 months). The Kent Union, with its executive in Maidstone, had already sponsored the emigration costs of about a thousand labourers and their families. In early 1874 sixteen families from the parish of Burham near Rochester were sent. They were farewelled from the Walnut Tree inn in Burham and set out for Portsmouth. One of these sixteen families (most of whom were unemployed brickmakers) was the Millers. This ties in with the baptism entry for little Charles which lists St Mary's as their parish church and that is the name of Burham's parish church. What I don't know is whether John and Harriet's families were natives of Burham or whether John and Harriet had moved there looking for work. Catherine's daughter could only remember her mother referring to the fact that they came from West Malling. Those are the only facts we know in the family. Any help in filling in some of the gaps would be very welcome
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Hi Dane
After much searching (thankyou everyone esp. Barbara  ), I think we have them:
1871 Back Street, West Malling, Kent
John MILLER head mar 30 ag lab b.Hastings Sussex
Harriett wife 28 flag? cutter b.Barming Kent
Kate dau 7 b.Hastings Sussex
RG10/917 Folio19 page 29
I can't see anything further jumping out at me - perhaps the next step would be to pursue a birth certificate for Charles or the marriage certificate of John and Harriett
Casalguidi
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