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Topic: Gordon Family -- Penninghame (Read 741 times)
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Gadget
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Hi Peter
The Marriage/banns records are often recorded in two places - banns were read in the parishes where they each lived. I've not come across more than one baptism though.
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JAP
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Peter,
In this particular case - both in the marriage record(s) and in the birth/baptism(s) record(s) - there is one entry that has been extracted from church registers and one entry which has been submitted by a member of the LDS.
Go with the extracted records 
Submitted records can be very helpful but one does need to treat them with considerable caution - especially when (as in the case of the submitted birth record for John GORDON) they do not have a precise date and they have the place preceded by "Of". At their best, submitted entries can be absolutely correct - but at their worst, they can be nothing other than pure guesswork.
I note that the submitted entries include further details which might be useful pointers. They have the parents of Margaret (VERNON) GORDON as James VERNON & Margaret DICKSON, and her death year as 1873. They have John GORDON's death year as 1865.
Incidentally, I have (only twice) seen two extracted records for baptism of the same child. The only reason I could think of was that the happy parents had the child baptized soon after birth but a little while later they visited a set of grandparents who wanted to celebrate a christening - so the child was 'done' again in their local church ...
Regards,
JAP
PS: The marriage (1829) and the birth (1838) were both long before Statutory Registration commenced in Scotland (1855). So the records are not 'registrations'.
The marriage record is the entry in the church register referring to proclamation of Banns (usually, but not always, on two or three consecutive Sundays); the entry might also mention the date of the actual marriage - which, at that time, usually took place in a private home. The birth date sometimes, but not always, is recorded in the entry in the church register of the baptism of the child.
PPS: I notice that all the children of Wallace & Margaret have an extracted birth/baptism entry (all Penninghame) and a submitted birth/baptism entry (all Newton Stewart, or Of Newton Stewart) - extracted entries are Mary bap 1829, Margaret bap 1832, Jessie bap 1835, James bap 1837, John bap 1838, Isabella bap 1841, Wallace born 1843, Robert born 1845 and Samuel bap 1849.
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JAP
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Hi again Peter,
I've just looked at the entry for Penninghame in Genuki at:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/WIG/Penninghame/index.html
It says that the parish church for the parish of Penninghame was located in the town of Newton Stewart - so there's really no conflict between the extracted entries and the submitted entries.
In the 1841 census on FreeCEN, the family is in Newton Stewart in the Civil Parish of Penninghame (Wallace is not there):
GORDON household
Margaret 30 (remember ages of persons over 15 were rounded down to the nearest 5 in 1841)
Jessie 5
John 3
Isabella 7 months
All born in the county
JAP
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JAP
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Hi yet again,
Where were Mary (1829), Margaret (1832) and James (1837) in the 1841 census?
I can't find James (perhaps he didn't survive) but here are possibilities for Mary and Margaret.
ED5/Fol 5/Page 1, Newtown, Penninghame
Mary GORDON 10
in the household of a James VERNON (perhaps her uncle or another relative?) 31 Shoemaker.
ED8/Fol 8/Page 6, Newton Stewart, Penninghame
Mary Margaret (apologies for typo) GORDON 5 (age a bit out)
in the household of a James VERNON 55, Shoemaker and Margaret VERNON 50 (perhaps her maternal grandparents?)
JAP
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JAP
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Peter,
No doubt you have the following from the online NSW BDM records at:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm
John GORDON, parents Wallace & Margaret, d 1865, Balmain NSW, #1450
Also a death record for:
Robert GORDON, parents Wallace & Margaret, d 1910, Macksville NSW, #5961
(year of death given in the submitted entry)
Also perhaps relevant the following death record?:
Isabella MILLS, parents Wallace & Margaret, d 1902, West Wallsend NSW, #16323
It seems that there is a member of the LDS who is interested in your family.
JAP
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JAP
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Well Peter,
Do let us know how you go and what you find out!
It is always interesting to learn the outcome of a query by a RootsChatter, and of one's efforts to assist ... 
Cheers,
JAP
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