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Topic: Robert PERCY and Sarah PATERSON births (Read 204 times)
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fionakennedyarnold
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Hello again,
I am looking for the birth/parents/siblings of Robert PERCY b. c. 1804, Morton, Northumberland. He may have had a brother James b. c. 1806, possibly in Spittal.
Sarah PATTERSON was born c. 1810 in Morton also, no idea of parents or siblings yet.
I have records for them in 1841/51/61 census, now need something prior to those census dates if possible.
Thanks in advance,
Fiona
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geniecolgan
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To get further back have you tried the IGI on Family Search
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bq/
There are some Sarah Patterson's christened in Northumberland in that time frame but no Robert Percy's.
Couls he have been born in another county, maybe?
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Michael Dixon
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Fiona,
So where have you searched for the births/parents etc of Robert and Sarah.
I think that Morton (sometime called Murton) that lies just south-west of the town of Tweedmouth, lay either within the parish of ANCROFT or it's neighbour, the parish of TWEEDMOUTH.
Before 1844, both the above parishes, and more, lay under the ownership and administration of County Durham ( not the County of Northumberland)
And do you know what religious faith they followed ?
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fionakennedyarnold
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Hi Michael,
Not sure what religion they were but all their children were baptised in the St Bartholomew and St St Boisil Church, Tweedmouth. One of their son's was married in the Catholic chapel in Ravensdawne... whilst another son's children were baptised at the St MAry Virgin church in Horton. This could mean the family were Catholic.
As for where have I looked - the only place I figured that there would be records was the IGI...but too numerous Sarah Patterson's to narrow down without more details and no Robert Percy's.
Do you think I should post to the Durham list?
Fiona
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Michael Dixon
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Fiona,
St Mary the Virgin, Horton was the Parish Church ( therefore Church of England)!
Those bits of County Durham that lay within the boundaries of Northumberland, reverted to Northumberland in 1844.
So maybe not necessary to post to Durham board. But records ( e.g. censuses,
parish indexes, etc) would be listed under " County Durham" before 1844.
On IGI try delving into Ancroft and Tweedmouth parishes near the birth dates you already have >
Michael Dixon
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Names.
Gallagher ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo Ireland.
Ontario, Canada,
Lowell, Ma, USA
Co Northumberland, Co Durham, England.
Dixon
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle
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fionakennedyarnold
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Hi Michael,
Are any of these Durham/Northumberland locations near Morton, or Ancroft / Tweedmouth like you suggested?
I extended the search 5 years either side of 1804 based on 1841/1851 census ages and age at death. I've been told by another researcher searching the same line that finding their marriage certificate has been difficult....which is making locating the parents of both Sarah and Robert a little more difficult.
Fiona
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Michael Dixon
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Fiona,
Baptisms first... in the era in which you are interested, and assuming religious denomination to be Church of Englad/Anglican, folk were baptised in the parish church of the parish in which their birth place lay . ( one parish church per parish)
Now as I said earlier I am not sure in which parish Morton/Murton lay. But it was either Tweedmouth Parish or Ancroft Parish. ( my hunch is for Ancroft).
So your targets should be Ancroft then Tweedmouth parish baptisms records.
If no success then you should widen your search to other religious denominations. (the "non-conformist" religions did not operate a similar "parish" system)
Marriages....
The marriage laws of England and Wales at that time, had it that the only legal way to marry was in a Parish/Church of England church ( but Quakers and those of Jewish faith were exempt from this legislation).
So the choice for Catholics, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc was to marry in the "wrong" church, not marry, or marry outside England/Wales.
For "non-conformists" in the north of England, especially those in north Northumberland, there was the option to cross the national border and marry in Scotland .
The legislation was changed in 1837, when marriages in other churches, and in Register Offices were introduced.
Michael Dixon
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Names.
Gallagher ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo Ireland.
Ontario, Canada,
Lowell, Ma, USA
Co Northumberland, Co Durham, England.
Dixon
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle
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fionakennedyarnold
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Hi Michael,
After I reread my last post I realised that it didn't make much sense at all - sory about that. I was meant to copy and paste a short list of IGI records I found in the Northumberland/Durham area and to ask which of those were closest to the areas of Tweedmouth or Ancroft....
The marriage comments that you made makes sense....I'm not sure they were of the Chrusch of England, but that is pure speculation - Presbytarian is quite likely but I can't remember a Catholic Church member in any family tree branch at all, other than that son of theirs that I mentioned previously, whilst another son was Church of England , sorry for that mistake - can't make mistakes about people's religions can we?!.... So I'll look into Scotland for that.
Thanks again for sharing your geographical and historical knowledge - it always broadens the picture for me.
Fiona
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