Al in Vane
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I will check when next in Library whether or not they were still burying in Arley at that point. I believe they have the P.R.s for Arley.
Apart from that I don't know how you would find him except by contacting the local authority as you say.
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Looked through Arley registers today for burials between 1919 and 1929 and it seems there were many Smiths in that area. Found the following, there are two Johns. see if any are related-
Davis Smith of 24, Gun Hill Cottages buried March 14 1919 age 44
John Smith of Heath Farm Cottages, Gun Hill buried March 26 1919 aged 65
Sarah Smith of Ansley Village buried July 26 1920 age 67
John William Smith of 33, Hill Top buried April 4 1922 age 66
Albert Edward Smith of 33 Hill Top buried August 22 1923 age 2
Joyce Sheila Smith of 1, Hollick Crescent Gun Hill buried January 1929 age 15 months
Leslie Smith of 29, Gun Hill buried on April 6 1929 age 2
Ashley Clifford Smith of 61, Gun Hill Arley buried May 11 1929 age 20 months.
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Al in Vain
John smith 65 Heath farm Cottages .Thats the certificate i sent for but it just said Gun Hill but i thought it might be my Great Grandad now not so sure as i was hoping Ellen might have also been with him. The informant on his certificate was a William G Smith [son] I know they had a son William but thought it was William E Smith it has him living in Ansley near Atherstone. If he was informant would that mean Ellen was already deceased or just that his son was there as it says he was present at time of death . Thanks for all your help its really appreciated.
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Hi Al in Vain
Wondered if you can check anywhere on the John Smith Heath farm Cottage Gun Hill who died 1919.
I am still thinking it could be my Great grandad so thought if there is anyway to find who was living with him it may or may not confirm it was the right John Smith. Would really appreciate your help . Thanks
Tarnya 
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Only thing I can think of is register of electors, I will check if they have one for that area and period in the library when I call in next.
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Al in Vain your a star !!
Thank you Tarnya
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tarnya, apologies if I raised your hopes, I got carried away and forgot that electors would not include women at that time! I did look in 1914-15 and found a John Smith but it just said Gun Hill Arley. There was a William Smith living at Fern Cottage, Ansley, formerly of Huish's Cottage.
However I had a flash of inspiration and turned to a book of photographs entitled Arley Remembered by John Bland (He was Doctor in the area at the time) and Colin Hayfield (Kingate Press (B'ham) Ltd) 1987 and found therein four photographs of different scenes at Heath Farm from 1907 including one shot of the cowman Mr Smith and the farms herd of shorthorns in the Lower Yard of Heath Farm! Another shows the farmer John Hallan and his wife Ellen and daughter Helen.
the photo of Mr Smith shows a side view and more to the back but it looks as though he sported a beard. He has a waistcoat and a cap . John Hallan still had the farm in 1920.
The problem is that we have still not established that John Smith is your ancestor and I cannot think of how to get that proof, maybe the 1911 will give many answers.
Incidentally that book is probably out of print now but you may be able to google a copy. As a last resort I could photocvopy the relevent pages and post them to you but it may pay you to delve a little more before taking that step.
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Further to the above I feel you/we may be barking up the wrong tree with that John Smith. That one died in 1919 at Arley aged 65, we know from my last post that he was a cowman in Arley. Looking for him in the 1901 I found a John Smith aged 47 in Arley, cowman, born Kerseley which is near Coventry. I would suggest this is the one at Heath Farm and not the one in your family who you say was born at Woodford Halse!
As I said earlier the 1911 will provide you with your answers, Smiths are like looking for a needle in the proverbial haystack.
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Hi Al in Vane
long time since i have searched properly .I only just noticed you sent me a message regarding oldacres family and that you had childrens names .Would you let me know if they were Ralph ,Lance and Anne.If so do you have any more on them.I have found through GR today a Ralph Oldacres and have sent him a message .Still no luck with tracing John and Ellen Smith.Look forward to hearing from you .
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All in Vain Sorry misread your message but i have told you Dulcies Childrens names if you do know of
them i would be grateful for information .I should really wear my glasses lol.
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Hi tarnya, the only name I can recall is Danny Oldacres, I know a couple of others by acquaintance but not their Christian name, sorry.
Only see Danny occasionally but if I do in future I will ask him about his family.
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Remarkably Danny turned up to play for our Football Team yesterday so I asked him the question! Yes his father's name is Lance, his Uncle Ralph and Grandfather the late Jim. They have all been involved in football locally.
I did not get chance to ask anything more but could get in touch with him again if needed.
Al
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Dear Al in Vain
Your a star .I have found Ralph on Genes reunited and am in touch with him .I would be grateful though if you ask Danny if his dad would get in touch as i would love to hear from him. I have a favour to ask i have found out that Edden Smith [John and Ellens son] lived at one point in Arley
in Rectory Cottages but don't know exactly when .I know in 1911 he was in Willey living Cloudersly cottage and in Farm field cottage Willey in 1919 so i don't know if it was during those years or after but in 1922 he was in Nuneaton .Also i have a death certificate for John Smith dying GUn Hill Arley in 1919.I did mention this to you and you checked and told me that the John Smith i have appeared on an earlier census and i know my John was in Attleborough in 1901 but it seems a bit of a coincidence .
Is there any way you can find any thing out about any of the above
Thanks again Tarnya
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I can certainly contact Danny and ask the question.
I know the Willey/Cloudesley area quite well, I think the Farm Field Cottage would belong to Willey Fields Farm.
Cannot see how I can find out any more until the 1911 comes out. Rectory Cottages are still extant. With Edden living in Willey in 1911 and 1919 in two different nearby cottages I cannot see him being in Arley in between, I would imagine he went there later in life. As I said earlier I think your John is different to the one you have a death certificate for although there is a bit of a coincidence I admit. I would suggest that perhaps John got out of agriculture later and went to Arley to work in the mine as many others did. Just a thought.
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Hi AL IN VAIN
Just to let you know i have found out Edden was living in Arley 1917 as thats when one of his daughters was born but must have moved on as i know as i said before he was in Willey in 1919.
He certainly didn't stay around for long in one place .
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