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Abiam
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Found a will on gov.uk.Wilts.Will - can I put on here?
« on: Wednesday 21 November 07 12:47 UTC (UK) »

I have found a will on gov. wilts and wonder if there are copyright problems if I were to put it on here for help with comprehension.  It is openly available and I have been able to print it off so I don't think there should be a problem but prefer to ask first.
Any ideas?
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Re: Found a will on gov.uk.Wilts.Will - can I put on here?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 21 November 07 13:11 UTC (UK) »

Hi Abiam

I've seen parts of wills on here before, so I think it is probably OK to put a bit on for help with the writing.

I am more interested in where you found the will.  What was the full name of the website?

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BETTISON - Derbys
BOULTON - Dalton-in-Furness and surrounding areas
BRAND - Lincs
COCKETT - Lincs, Yorks, Lancs
DA COSTA (or variants) -  Spain or Portugal, London (Middx), ?Hull
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Re: Found a will on gov.uk.Wilts.Will - can I put on here?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 21 November 07 13:22 UTC (UK) »

I was looking for Wills in Fyfield Wilts. 

This is the address:

http://history.wiltshire.gov.uk/heritage/wills_search.php?community_in=Fyfield
(not sure about the capital F in Fyfield but that's how it's written!)
If that doesn't work Google Fyfield Wilts and it's on the 2nd page  about 3 or 4 down.

Hope that helps.
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TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
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Re: Found a will on gov.uk.Wilts.Will - can I put on here?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 21 November 07 13:23 UTC (UK) »

It does work! I've just tried it.
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SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
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Re: Found a will on gov.uk.Wilts.Will - can I put on here?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 21 November 07 13:24 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Abiam.

Lizzie
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BENSON- Dalton in Furness (Ulverston) and Hull
BETTISON - Derbys
BOULTON - Dalton-in-Furness and surrounding areas
BRAND - Lincs
COCKETT - Lincs, Yorks, Lancs
DA COSTA (or variants) -  Spain or Portugal, London (Middx), ?Hull
GILCHRIST - Scotland, Lincs
HINGLEY - Derbys/Yorks
MANN - Sussex, Kent, Herts
MUMBY - Lincolnshire and Hull
PEMBERTON - Ches, Lancashire
STANTON - Lincs
ROBINSON - Lincs
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Re: Found a will on gov.uk.Wilts.Will - can I put on here?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 21 November 07 13:31 UTC (UK) »

Abiam,

Could you specify precisely which Will on that site (which works perfectly) you need help with?

And perhaps indicate which part(s) of the Will you are having trouble with.

Regards,

JAP
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Re: Found a will on gov.uk.Wilts.Will - can I put on here?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 21 November 07 13:59 UTC (UK) »

How about nearly all of it!!!  It is for Nicholas Dobson 1701 and I can see a wife Elizabeth,  daughters Hannah and Mary and a son John.  15 pounds each.   I was hoping to find if he left any property.  There are the names William Dickman (not sure abt the surname) and Thomas Marsh.  I can't see any address and I also think the 2nd page is in Latin.  Not my forte!

Anything might help,
Regards, Abiam
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SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
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Re: Found a will on gov.uk.Wilts.Will - can I put on here?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 21 November 07 14:05 UTC (UK) »

i think to get round copyright you can post part of it (at a time)
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Re: Found a will on gov.uk.Wilts.Will - can I put on here?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 21 November 07 14:26 UTC (UK) »

Hi All,

The Wiltshire site says as long as not used for commercial use, should be ok.

Here is an example of what the Latin part means,

Probatum fuit humor(?) testum apud London vicesimo sexto die mensis Aprilis Anno Dmi (Domini) Millimo (millensimo) sexcenmo(sescentesimo) octogemo (octogesimo) sexto coram venti (venerati) viro Thoma Pinsole Legum Dcore (Doctore) Surro doulis et equeqii viri Richardi Rames Dcores(?) Curia Prerogativa Cantuarensis Magri(?) custodis sive(?) comisarii prime(?) constituti juramento Elizabetha Sterry Relca dicti desurn (?) xr(etcetera) Executricis in dicto testamento nominat cui comissu fuit adudstraco omnium et singulorum bonorum jurium et creditorum dicti defuncti de bono xr fidelitor adudstrands eadem ad sancta dei Evangelia Jurat

This will was proved at London the twenty sixth day of April in the year of our Lord one thousand six hundred and eighty six before the Worshipful Thomas Pinsole Doctor of Laws Surrogate of the Right Worshipful Richard Rames Doctor of Laws Master Keeper Commisary of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury lawfully constituted by the oath of Elizabeth Sterry Relict and the sole executrix named in the said will to whom administration was granted of all and singular the goods chattels and credits of the deceased she having been first sworn duly to administer on the holy Gospel of God.

Tom
PS copyright to http://www.sterryworldwide.com/policy.htm and permission allowed to be reproduced here.
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Re: Found a will on gov.uk.Wilts.Will - can I put on here?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 21 November 07 14:38 UTC (UK) »

Nicholas begins by saying "I being sick and weak but in good memory do make my last Will and Testament   Item I make my wife Elizabeth my whole executor  Item I give to Hannah my eldest daught fifteen pounds  Item I give to my daughter Mary 15  --00--00 Item I give to my son John 15---00---00
If either child dye as is to be paid the Legis it is to  [---] to the other Leagasis as they come of age  If my wife doe dye before they comes of age Nicholas Dobson shall pay them as they come of age  My wife shall have the Bargain at Lockridge during her widowhood  heare I appoint my Friends John Waller and Thomas Smith trustees to see the will performed ---------

The marke of Nicholas Dobson

William Dickman
Thomas Marsh
Ann Dickman

[The last three names will be the witnesses]

The Latin part shows when probate was granted after Nicholas' death.  Sorry I can't translate.
Added:  But it was on the nineteenth of September 1707 (decimo nono Septembris Anno Dni 1707)
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Re: Found a will on gov.uk.Wilts.Will - can I put on here?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 21 November 07 15:12 UTC (UK) »

Many thanks to you all for your help.  I am very pleased as my

eyesight is not as good as it could be!

Now all I have to do is see if and where he fits!

You are all quite wonderful everything sorted within a couple

of hours,

Thank you, Abiam
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DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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Re: Found a will on gov.uk.Wilts.Will - can I put on here?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 22 November 07 04:19 UTC (UK) »

Hi Gallium,  I read that missing word as 'remaine' - what do you think?  I wonder what the Bargain at Lockeridge was ...  JAP

Abiam, Here's Gallium's great work re-formatted into line-by-line in case you want to compare it with the images.

Image 1
Nicholas Dobson ##  In the Name
of God   Amen  I being sick & weake
but in good memory doe make my last Will
and Testament./  # #   Item  I make my wife Elizabeth
my whole Exsecuttor./ # #  Item  I give to Hannah
                                                          lb-  s-  d
my eldest Daughter fifteene Pound    --     15-00-00 --
Item  I give to my daughter Mary     --      15-00-00 --
Item  I give to my Sonn John         ---      15-00-00 --
If either Child dye as is to be paid the Leagis it is
to remaine to the other Leagasis, if my Wife doe live
shee is to pay the Leagasis as they comes of Age,/ If
my Wife doe dye before they comes of Age Nicholas
Dobson shall pay them as they comes of Age  My
Wife shall have the Bargain at Lockeridge during her
Widdow-hood./  Heare I appoint my to Frinds John

Image 2
Walter and Thomas Smith Trustees to see
the Will pformed # #  the marke of Nicholas
Dobson./ # # # William Dickman, Thomas
Marsh, Ann Dickman./ # # #
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Re: Found a will on gov.uk.Wilts.Will - can I put on here?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 22 November 07 06:41 UTC (UK) »

Hi Gallium,  I read that missing word as 'remaine' - what do you think?  I wonder what the Bargain at Lockeridge was ...  JAP


Here it is JAP,

WILTSHIRE DIALECT WORDS

Bargain - small landed property or holding e.g. house, garden, land

Tom
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Re: Found a will on gov.uk.Wilts.Will - can I put on here?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 22 November 07 09:45 UTC (UK) »

Hi JAP, yes I can see 'remaine' now you have pointed it out.   I was trying to make it into 'revert',  but left it out in the end as it didn't quite work.

Thanks for the Bargain explanation , Tidybooks - I was wondering about that too.
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Re: Found a will on gov.uk.Wilts.Will - can I put on here?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 22 November 07 11:21 UTC (UK) »

Jap, Tom and Gallium,

Your help much appreciated.  Not knowing too much about rural 18th Cenrtury life I was pleased to find that I did know what a bargain was.  Apart from finding a wonderful pair of shoes at a bargain price in the right size!

I also think a 'messuage' is a bargain,

Many thanks, Abiam
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DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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