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"COMPLETED WITH THANKS" William Jones-Wolverhampton help!
« on: Thursday 22 November 07 09:09 GMT (UK) »
In a bit of confusion over my William Jones born about 1868. Born Wolverhampton .
(Parents are I think a John and Jane Taylor. I know father's name is deffo John).

Sent off for 5 Birth certifs to try and get the right one and think I have -now just need to eliminate 2 of them.

The first William Jones I want to "put to rest" is born 27 Nov 1867 parents John (Coal Miner) and Harriet bowen . Born Moseley hole Wednesfield. Really stuck on this one as can't find him on the 1871 Census. He might have died but so many of them.
There is a John Jones living in Moseley Hole Wednesfield in 1871 Coal miner age 43. Looks like from Ireland can't read it properly. Lodger. So right area and proff but no Harriet and no son Wm.... Sad And can't see him in later Census or earlier.
There is in 1861 a John Jones and Harriet living in Darlaston again no William. He is a coal miner and age is same as the 1861 43 but born different area! So could be that one in 1871.
So dead confused.
Any help appreciated.

(The other one I won't push my luck with just yet!)

Thanks Gene Genie
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Re: William Jones-Wolverhampton help!
« Reply #1 on: Friday 23 November 07 21:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi Gene Genie

from what source are you looking at that gives William as being born in Wolverhampton about 1868? I am assuming it's from a marriage certificate as if you have the census, you would know both parents names?  However, marriage certs do no state place of birth only address at time of marriage.....Huh?? Huh

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Re: William Jones-Wolverhampton help!
« Reply #2 on: Friday 23 November 07 21:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Graham

I have 5 birth certifs for these William Jones.
The one that I think is mine is born 1868 mother Jane and father John and they are on the 1871 Census. Can't find them on the 1881 Census though   Embarrassed

The one I want to eliminate is  born 27 Nov 1867 parents John (Coal Miner) and Harriet bowen . Born Moseley hole Wednesfield. Can't find this family on the 1871 Census other than the ones I found in prev post....too many Jones!
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Re: William Jones-Wolverhampton help!
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 24 November 07 09:45 GMT (UK) »
hi again Gene Genie

I see what you mean. What ages do you have for John and Jane on 1871 census? 

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Re: William Jones-Wolverhampton help!
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 24 November 07 10:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi I have them living in North St W'ton in 1871 John is a Locksmith age 44 and she is age 34 both born W'ton Staffs.
I think I have my William Jones age 23 in Temple st on the 1891 Census as a Blacksmith lodger...
Then I have him in 1901 with his family in Townwell Fold W'ton in 1901 age a bit out though but that is him deffo.

This other William I have b1867 Moseley Hole Wednesfield - I thought if I could discount him then I would know that mine is this one born 1868.
Undecided

ps  if anyone has William Jones born betw 1867-1871 father John Wolverhampton area (includes Willenhall and Wednesfield part) then I may have some info on a certif for you of your Wm Jones .
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Re: William Jones-Wolverhampton help!
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 24 November 07 15:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi Gene Genie

phew!! at long last - here's John, Jane and William and rest of family in1881,  mistranscribed under JAMES, as found at www.familysearch.org

Census address:  126 North Street, W'ton
ref: RG11/2801  folio 22 p.38

John JAMES, Head, 56, Dress Tool Maker   b. Wolv
Jane JAMES, Wife, 46. b. Wolv.
Marie JAMES, Dau, Unm'd, 18
John JAMES, Son, 15, Washer Presser & Dresser Tool     
William JAMES, Son, 13, Scholar     
Mary JAMES,   Dau,10, Scholar     
Annie JAMES, Dau, 7,Scholar     
James JAMES, Son, 5, Scholar

children ALL born W'hampton.

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Re: William Jones-Wolverhampton help!
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 24 November 07 15:13 GMT (UK) »
My Goodness Graham that is fantastic! Thank you!
How on earth did you find that? Would love to know....Via the street?

Ok well that is the family for sure. Just not sure it is mine. Need to eliminate that other one.
Don't suppose you fancy finding that other William too do you  Undecided
Wonder where this family are in 1891 as I couldn't see a John or Jane that fitted?
Thanks again
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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 24 November 07 15:19 GMT (UK) »
Hello Genie

I think Graham's first question was relevant - have you got a marriage cert for William?

If not, that would be the best place to start.  If you do, can you tell us what his occupation was & ALL the other details (date, place, witnesses etc).

Once you have that info it becomes easier to narrow down the census possibilities - essential with a name like JONES!

kind regards, Arranroots  Wink
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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN
HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD
GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS
WIL: WEBB, SALTER
RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS
GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY
MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD
SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON
IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK)
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Re: William Jones-Wolverhampton help!
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 24 November 07 15:20 GMT (UK) »
...it's done my head in, I tell ya!!  I tried all sorts without any luck, so my thoughts turned to trying alternative surnames O's are often mistranscribed as a's and n's for m's and vice-versa.  I tried JAMES  first and bingo!!.  

will keep on looking... but need to have a rest!!! nice cup of tea, arrrhh!!

cheers
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« Reply #9 on: Saturday 24 November 07 16:10 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again Graham go and have your tea you deserve it!
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I will have another look on the 1891 for the rest of the family that you have Kindly provided. They must be somewhere. As I say think that is William Jones in 1891 living Temple St prior to his marriage in 1891 13 Dec to Elizabeth Spruce. He puts down age 22 on the marriage doc. Witnesses are Sarah Spruce (sister) and Samuel Evans not sure who he is.
William Jones is a Blacksmith on marriage and 1901 Census info and birth certif of son.

I have eliminated all the other 3 William Jones...so just leaves this William b 1868 and another William b 1867 Wednesfield.. although I feel that if mine had been born Wednesfield he would have put that on the Census in 1901 and not Wolverhampton.
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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 24 November 07 16:15 GMT (UK) »
Sorry to be a pain, but what is John's occupation on William's birth cert?

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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN
HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD
GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS
WIL: WEBB, SALTER
RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS
GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY
MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD
SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON
IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK)
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Re: William Jones-Wolverhampton help!
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 24 November 07 17:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi Arranroots,

Ok on the William's birth certif that I think is mine father is a Press Tool setter so that is the one I found in 1871 and Graham found in 1881.
Then there is the one that "may" be mine, William Jones b 27 Nov 1867 Moseley Hole Wednesfield father John mother Harriet Bowen father's occupation Coalminer.
and just to be really awkward there is one other William, although pretty much discounted him, b 17 April 1867 Portobello Willenhall father John mother Mary Ann Gough.. but this family moves to Yorks and Wm is there in 1881 can't find him in 1891 but the rest of family is there in 1891 and 1901.. that was the other Wm.

So there are 3 possible Wm Jones but I do think that the one with John and Jane is mine. Hope so anyway.
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ps on the marriage cert of 13 Dec 1891 my William's father is Dead.no occup down.

pps on the marriage cert which is at St Pauls W'ton the couple are in residence prior to marriage at looks like Lonz St for him and Graisly St for her. I cannot find on the a-z a Lonz st there is a Long st but this looks like a z after the n.
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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 24 November 07 19:11 GMT (UK) »
Oops!  I meant marriage certificate - sorry, I knew you were having problems sorting out which birth cert is yours!  Embarrassed
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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN
HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD
GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS
WIL: WEBB, SALTER
RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS
GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY
MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD
SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON
IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK)
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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 24 November 07 20:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi not sure but think I have it sorted now. On the 1891 there is a widow Jane Jones living in "The Londs" W'ton , wherever that is cannot find it on the a-z.
She has a James with her. And my William puts the Lonz on marriage certif.
So think that is him in Temple st 1891 and maybe with Ma bit later on marriage certif living at "the Londs/lonz"

So thanks to Graham for finding that 1881 lot.And Arranroots too. So what do I do with these 4 William Jones birth certifs?

Very grateful to everyone for taking the time to help me.
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