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Keziahemm
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I think there's a way to send more 'personal' messages - e-mail addresses etc. but can't think how at the moment.
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Hi Sprout 
Click on the green personal message thingy (don't know what it's called  ) if you're on line it's lit up, under your name below profile piccy or where it says copyright national archives
Another option, click on the name of the person you want to contact, their profile page opens, towards the bottom is the option to "send this RootsChatter a personal message".
Hello Sarah welcome to RootsChat, which is very addictive as no doubt you will find out
If you need any help just ask.
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Susan 
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Gloucestershire: Langford & Stroud Radnorshire: (Knighton) Langford Herefordshire: Mytton Lincolnshire: Ingham Northamptonshire: Knight (Welford); Linnell; Gaudern; Staffordshire (Brierley Hill, Kingswinford): Wood; Somerset: Bailey; Lewis Warwickshire: ( Alcester, Henley in Arden, Aston Cantlow): Lewis; Casey/Keasey Warwickshire, (Birmingham suburbs) Knight; Lewis Yorkshire (Bradford): Ingham Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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Keziahemm
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Hi Sprout In the Gloucestershire Militia survey of 1522 for Minsterworth William Gowgh 20s (goods) bow & arrows (arms) Robert Gowgh Susan
Sarah I see you have a Robert wonder if this is a family name, as there is a Robert Gowgh in Minsterworth 1522! (Mentioned in reply 28).
Susan
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Gloucestershire: Langford & Stroud Radnorshire: (Knighton) Langford Herefordshire: Mytton Lincolnshire: Ingham Northamptonshire: Knight (Welford); Linnell; Gaudern; Staffordshire (Brierley Hill, Kingswinford): Wood; Somerset: Bailey; Lewis Warwickshire: ( Alcester, Henley in Arden, Aston Cantlow): Lewis; Casey/Keasey Warwickshire, (Birmingham suburbs) Knight; Lewis Yorkshire (Bradford): Ingham Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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sarahmess
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You never know, they do like to carry the first name down the line.
Sarah
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worldsender
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Hi Sprout,
I ended up here through a certain Liz who had info from Sarah about you Gough research, all of us being in some way connected to the Goughs.
I descend from a Caroline Gough (c 1822-1886, who married a John Weir in Cheltenham in 1850. They went off to live in Welshpool, Montgomeryshire in Wales, where they are recorded on the 1851 census. A daughter of theirs married a Henry Carpenter and this family moved to Shrewsbury, where their granddaughter, my mother, was born.
Anyway, the point is, you said in an earlier post that Esther Gough appers to have "gone off" somewhere in the 1851 census. Actually, she is staying with, and presumably helping, the pregnant Caroline Gough in Welshpool. I've attached an image of the census return.
The reason I assume Caroline is another daughter of Joseph and Esther Gough is mainly because Caroline gives her father's name on the marriage certificate as Joseph Gough, Farmer. I've attached this certificate, too. One of the witnesses is a William Gough. Also Esther's age, on the Welshpool census return corresponds with that of your Esther. What do you think?
Could you answer a couple of questions, please?
Firstly, why do you say Esther's maiden name was Phelps? I hadn't been able to find anything on the IGI (and I live in Sardinia so I can't go bombing around Gloucestershire looking for parish records).
Secondly, please tell me about the memoirs you mention for William Gough. They sound fascinating.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Regards,
Chris Pain
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Pain (Mortlake, Barnes); Carpenter (Hereford, Welshpool, Shrewsbury); Wickings (Kent, Richmond);
Birch (Shrewsbury); Gane (Somerset, Mortlake); Young (London, Richmond);
Weir (Berwickshire, Gloucestershire, Welshpool); France (Shrewsbury); House (Chiswick, Mortlake);
Brain (Kent); Breadmore (Wiltshire, Richmond); Gough (Gloucestershire);
Colley (Shropshire); Hindley/Henley (Shropshire);
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Sprout
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Hi Chris
Interesting stuff...the facts certainly fit the theory as far as they go. (For a moment I thought William would have left England before he could have witnessed Caroline's wedding but no, he sailed for America in August 1850-a month after the wedding)
It's just a shame we can find no info regarding Caroline's birth.
Regarding Esther/Hester's surname, there is a very lovely lady called Susan who just finds out these things! I quote:
(Completed Look-ups)
Keziahemm
Re: Look up - Maisemore/Minsterworth - Gough
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 01 December 07 16:57 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sprout
Joseph Gough of Minsterworth
and Hester Phelps married at Rudford 22nd May 1810 by licence
Susan
She may even be able to 'sniff out' stuff on Caroline Gough if we ask her nicely.
Regarding William, it's lengthy so I'll send it as a personal message.
Relatives in Sardinia...how lovely!
Sprout
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SueTeakle
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Here is a baptism
Caroline Gough - 28th January 1823 at St Lawrence, Barnwood
Parents - Joseph & Esther of Barnwood
Occupation - Farmer
Sue
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Sprout
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That was quick...thankyou Sue.
Chris, this may be a different set of Jo and Esthers to the Minsterworth couple?
Sprout
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worldsender
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Yes, you're right that was quick. Thank you from me too Sue. And thank you Sprout for all the stuff on the Rev. William Gough. I especially liked the ballad. Do you know if it's been set to music? If not, I might do it one of these days (another hobby of mine).
Sorry to the Copywright-Editor. I didn't realise you couldn't post images of certificates or census returns here. In future I'll do as you say and post a small relevant portion or send them privately.
Well, "Caroline Gough - 28th January 1823 at St Lawrence, Barnwood" is almost certainly the right baptism for my Caroline. I forgot to mention that in the 1881 census she gives her birthplace as "Gloucestershire, Barnwood". As you say, Sprout, this may mean her parents "Joseph & Esther of Barnwood" are a different set of Jo and Esthers to the Minsterworth couple, but not necessarily.
There are no Goughs in Barnwood in the 1841 , 1851 or 1861 censuses and no Gough births or marriages in Barnwood parish indexed on the IGI, so it seems these Gough were not a Barnwood family. They may have been living and working in this area on the western outskirts of Gloucester as they were later to be doing in Rodley, and later still in Cheltenham. The American material about William did mention that he had attended school in the city of Gloucester.
The only other couple of Joseph and Esther Goughs I can find any mention of are based in Thornbury and they had their children there between 1803 and 1809.
Anyway, I'd better start making lunch. That's my job around here. Doesn't it take the biscuit? Italians are supposed to be these fabulous cooks but in my house it's not my Italian wife but me, a Londoner, that gets to do all the cooking. I'll have another look at all the evidence later on.
Regards,
Chris
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Pain (Mortlake, Barnes); Carpenter (Hereford, Welshpool, Shrewsbury); Wickings (Kent, Richmond);
Birch (Shrewsbury); Gane (Somerset, Mortlake); Young (London, Richmond);
Weir (Berwickshire, Gloucestershire, Welshpool); France (Shrewsbury); House (Chiswick, Mortlake);
Brain (Kent); Breadmore (Wiltshire, Richmond); Gough (Gloucestershire);
Colley (Shropshire); Hindley/Henley (Shropshire);
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Sprout
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I agree Chris, the evidence is promising in that Jo+Est don't appear in two places at the same time! (and share a William) I write songs too! Surely genetical evidence that we are related.
Biscuits for lunch?
Sprout.
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worldsender
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No biscuits, I can't make them. I can only make things involving large quantities of garlic or chili or both. Today it was Petza Imbinada, Sardinian for "soused meat".
What sort of music do you play? We're basically a group of old codgers (myself being the oldest codger at nearly 49) who spend a couple of evenings a week together playing a bit of blues, a bit of soul and a bit of rock, anything from Van Morrison to Stevie Wonder.
Chris
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Pain (Mortlake, Barnes); Carpenter (Hereford, Welshpool, Shrewsbury); Wickings (Kent, Richmond);
Birch (Shrewsbury); Gane (Somerset, Mortlake); Young (London, Richmond);
Weir (Berwickshire, Gloucestershire, Welshpool); France (Shrewsbury); House (Chiswick, Mortlake);
Brain (Kent); Breadmore (Wiltshire, Richmond); Gough (Gloucestershire);
Colley (Shropshire); Hindley/Henley (Shropshire);
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Sprout
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This is astonishing...I love chili, garlic and VanMorrison too! Further genetic evidence! (We have to relate these conversations back to genealogy otherwise Arranroots will get us for being off-subject) Have played in various bands but got tired of all the travelling and carrying heavy speakers about, just bluesey piano in a few pubs these days...
Any suggestions for a good Sardinian wine? Ancestor hunting certainly works up a thirst....
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worldsender
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I didn't realise we had to stay on-subject. Well, I'll try. So for people with genes such as ours, the best Sardinian wine is Cannonau, anything over 13%. This is a strong red-black wine, more ore less the wine equivalent of Guinness. As regards actual bottles I'd recommend Nepente from Oliena or Orturù from Mamoiada, also Mamuthone from Mamoiada but that's quite expensive. Don't know if any of these reach England.
Chris
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Pain (Mortlake, Barnes); Carpenter (Hereford, Welshpool, Shrewsbury); Wickings (Kent, Richmond);
Birch (Shrewsbury); Gane (Somerset, Mortlake); Young (London, Richmond);
Weir (Berwickshire, Gloucestershire, Welshpool); France (Shrewsbury); House (Chiswick, Mortlake);
Brain (Kent); Breadmore (Wiltshire, Richmond); Gough (Gloucestershire);
Colley (Shropshire); Hindley/Henley (Shropshire);
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Hello both
Technically, yes - please try to stay on topic.
Privately I am getting an education about Sardinia and am intrigued by the idea that you share musical genes!
You can either chat privately by Personal Message, use the chatroom (RootsChat Chatterbox - see the Chat link at the top of each page) or start a topic on the Totally off Topic board.
Enjoy!
Kind regards, Arranroots 
p.s. I assume you have come across Scribes Alcove for your Thornbury records?
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK) |
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worldsender
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Sorry Arranroots, will try to stay on topic in future.
Could you tell me more about these Scribes Alcoves?
Regards,
worldsender
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Pain (Mortlake, Barnes); Carpenter (Hereford, Welshpool, Shrewsbury); Wickings (Kent, Richmond);
Birch (Shrewsbury); Gane (Somerset, Mortlake); Young (London, Richmond);
Weir (Berwickshire, Gloucestershire, Welshpool); France (Shrewsbury); House (Chiswick, Mortlake);
Brain (Kent); Breadmore (Wiltshire, Richmond); Gough (Gloucestershire);
Colley (Shropshire); Hindley/Henley (Shropshire);
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