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Anyone going to Chesterfield  Archives, please?
Lucy Greaves (mother of my 84yr old neighbour) was born either in Mosbrough or Eckington in 1884 (give or take a year either side). She and her brother Samuel (b. 1883c. in Holbrook) were brought up by their grandparents, John and Sarah Greaves in Netherthorpe, Killamarsh (in 1891 census).
Would love to find out who Lucy's parents were (and Samuel's if possible) in order to complete a section of the family. I do have a reference for her marriage in 1917, but her father may not be named on the certificate.
Many thanks in anticipation.
Polly
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CaroleW
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You will only get parental info by ordering a copy of her birth cert. If she was "born in wedlock" then her fathers name will be on her marriage cert
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CaroleW
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There is an outside chance that their parents were George Greaves and Harriet. Unless they were illegitimate then their father had to be a son of Sarah. The sons on the 1891 census were all unmarried
I looked Sarah Greaves up on the 1881 census (husband was John) and there were no other sons old enough to have had children in the mid- 1880's so I went back to 1871 and there was a son George aged 16
This is George in 1881 at Hornthorpe Lane Eckington
RG11 3441/23/39
George GREAVES 26 b Killamarsh Colliery Lab
Harriet 27 b Eckington
John GREAVES 7 b Eckington
Harvey 5 b Killamarsh
Edward 2 b Eckington
Luke 1 b Eckington
1891 for Eckington - 37 Pit St
In addition to the above children there are also
Walter 8
Annie 3
Charles 2
Nellie 3 months IGI shows christening 8.2.1891 plus another child Rhoda christened 11.3.1895
all b Eckington
Samuel Greaves was b Dec qtr 1882 and Walter was b June qtr 1884
I have checked the full GRO index from 1883-1885 and there is no Derbyshire birth for a Lucy Greaves.
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Daisypetal
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Hi,
Do you think this could be Lucy 
Birth
Female GREAVES Jun Q 1883 Chesterfield v.7b p.789
That would fit with her being 7 in the 1891 census.
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Daisy
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pwitz
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Thank you so much CaroleW and Daisypetal.
Yes, I had seen the Female Greaves in 1883 and think that is the right one, but it doesn't quite fit her age at death in 1961 - but my neighbour may have got that wrong!
I was initially given the impression that Lucy didn't know her parents, but having just been round to see her daughter, this isn't obviously the case. So I'm going to 'bite the bullet' and send for her marriage cert and hope that she has named her father on it - it'll be £7 well spent if I can sort this out!
I'm expecting to see the name of one of John and Sarah's sons on it, but I had even wondered if maybe Lucy and Samuel were illegitimate children of one of their daughters.
I am going to be 'off-line' from Monday for about 7 days, so the cert should arrive before I can post again. In case anyone else posts a reply, please do not think I am ignoring you.
Thanks again, Polly
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CaroleW
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Hi Polly
Are you sure that Lucy & Samuel were actually siblings?
The 1883 birth could well be her but it would be most unusual to be registered just as "female" as a living child. That type of registration was more common for children who were born alive but died shortly afterwards
Allowing for their births possibly being in the month before the quarter started but not registered until later- we have:
Samuel born between Sept - Dec 1882
Lucy born March - June 1883
Walter born March - June 1884
I think either Lucy or Samuel was illegitimate
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pwitz
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Thanks again CaroleW.
Certificate ordered, so may have an answer soon. I had actually wondered if they were siblings, but my neighbour says Samuel was definately Lucy's brother (although that's what they may have been told and never queried it, or worked out dates!)
I thought that by registering the child as Female, that they just hadn't decided on a name! In the meantime, if anyone comes across a baptism for Lucy and/or Samuel, it may give us some clues.
As I said before, by the time I am back on-line, then I should have an answer, then I can get back to my own family rsearch! Thought by doing this it would be a change from the Smith side of my family!
Polly 
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I'm back for now - it's been 14 days, and BT and Virgin still haven't got their act together, so not sure how long before things go wrong again!
Got Lucy's marriage certificate and it states that her father was Daniel Greaves, but would really like to find out who her mother was. Still can't find her birth registration - she was born 29 January 1884 - nor a marriage for Daniel, so perhaps some kind person could look in the records office/church records to see if there is a baptism entry with her mother's name on it.
Living in hope, Polly
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CaroleW
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Something strange here - Daniel was living with his mother Sarah plus Lucy & Samuel in 1891 but he is shown as single - so looks like their uncle
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I think he may have not married Lucy's mother (or Samuel's, if he is indeed her brother). seeing as we can't find a marriage for him. I am in contact with someone who may be sending for Samuel's birth certificate, so may find out something from that. - soon I hope!
Patience is not one of my better qualities!
Polly
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CaroleW
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Hi Polly
You've got me on tenterhooks now as I'd love to know the outcome to this one.
I'm like you - I want answers and I want them yesterday!!
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omskirk
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I'm transcribing Eckington register but hav'nt got that far yet, but there are plenty of Greaves at Ridgeway Nr Eckington/Mosbro you might glean some info
www.ridgeway.org.uk
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pwitz
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Thank you so much Omskirk. What a lovely site! I just wish that everyone would do one like that about the place that they live - it would make all our lives much easier! Maybe when I retire!!! However, I couldn't find the info I needed, but will pass your link onto someone I know who is researching the Greaves family. I'm sure that she'll find it interesting.
Thanks again, Polly
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